Episode 7 - Under the Silver Lake

[00:00:14] Speaker A: You know, I don't want to actually start the episode. I just want to hear the song. All right, we're gonna go ahead and turn that down again. We will explain a little bit why I started with that song. Don't worry. It's not a good reason at all. Welcome, everybody, to watch this, or as it's called today for you, Alex. I am. [00:00:33] Speaker B: What are you saying? [00:00:34] Speaker A: Fuck me for. [00:00:34] Speaker B: What did I do? [00:00:36] Speaker A: Because he picked a movie. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:00:38] Speaker A: I'm your host, Paul Klein. I'm gonna go to normal today. Sitting across from me is our host, Alex Bello. And sitting in front of me. Hold on. Please don't say anything yet. Okay. Sitting in front of me is our host, Stephanie Caplano. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Did you. Did you say your name differently today? That was like. [00:01:04] Speaker A: She got her 23andMe back, so she feels more Italian. [00:01:07] Speaker B: Feel more Italian. Did you actually get your 23 and me back? [00:01:09] Speaker C: Oh, I got my ancestry.com back. I'm 19 Italian. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Fraud. [00:01:16] Speaker C: 30. Spain. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Oh, 18. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Germanic. Dramatic Germanic. I apologize to the German in the room. [00:01:25] Speaker A: I'm not German. [00:01:26] Speaker C: The. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Yeah, European. [00:01:29] Speaker C: European in the room. [00:01:30] Speaker A: European. His ancestry, because. Yeah, well, I mean, I was born here, so, yeah, American, but, yeah, culturally German. Yeah, I would. I would agree with that. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair. Okay, like this. We're one. Today we are talking about. Today we're talking about under the Silver Lake. Why did I play that song? [00:01:48] Speaker B: I don't know, actually. Why don't you tell us? [00:01:50] Speaker A: I think even when I tell you, you're gonna be like, why did you play that song? It is. Okay, first of all, I want to find out from you guys. Did you know that song? [00:01:58] Speaker B: No, I don't know. I'm not familiar with it. It sounds great, though. Yeah. [00:02:01] Speaker A: How times have changed. That was the Dave Matthews Band. [00:02:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Does that ring? Yeah, I mean, that was to me. Geez, he was big in the 90s. He was so big in the 90s. The song's called Ants Marching, but it's from the album under the table and Dreaming. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:02:14] Speaker A: Under the silver leg. Under the table and dreaming. And the lyric is in that album title is a lyric in that song. [00:02:22] Speaker B: It always amazes me how you draw these, like, connections. [00:02:24] Speaker A: Ridiculous conditions. Yeah. [00:02:26] Speaker B: I always just pull a song for the movie when I think what to. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Well, actually, I think we'll end with, what's the frequency? [00:02:31] Speaker B: Okay, we could do that. [00:02:32] Speaker A: Or we do, like, a mashup of both songs. We'll just play them both at the same time. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Yeah. What's the dream under the table. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Under the table and dreaming. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Yep. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Oh, what's the. I see what you're saying. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Come on. I mean, come on. [00:02:44] Speaker A: I don't like how you're dressed today, Alex. You feel too professional. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Alex is dressed up because he did a speech for us today and it just looks like. It just. It looks like he's the boss. [00:02:54] Speaker C: I mean, we're all dressed for very different occasions. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:59] Speaker C: We got like Hawaiian. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker C: Corporate goth and professional. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Did you say corporate goth? [00:03:04] Speaker B: I've never heard of that before. [00:03:05] Speaker A: Never heard of that before. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Corporate goth. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And you never heard of Dave Matthews, so we're. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah, Paul's like corporate Hawaiian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Well, I don't know if jeans counts as corporate. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Like casual Friday. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Casual Friday. Yeah. What's that? [00:03:17] Speaker C: You should wear a Hawaiian shirt with slacks and like a tie. [00:03:21] Speaker A: That's hard for Hawaiian. [00:03:23] Speaker B: I think you would look like such a douchebag. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Unless it's a Hawaiian tie. [00:03:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Or It's a pineapple actually. 40 excellence award. Not bragging or anything. [00:03:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Just gonna slide it in there. The. They didn't tell us how we're supposed to dress and so I'm planning to wear a Hawaiian shirt with a blazer and. And dress pants and. And my shiny shoes. [00:03:49] Speaker C: Hawaiian. [00:03:51] Speaker A: Exactly. That's why I thought of it. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't just name dropping that I won an award for excellence. [00:03:55] Speaker B: But you should be. [00:03:57] Speaker A: I. I think so. I think so. [00:03:58] Speaker C: Name drop like two more times during the podcast. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:04:02] Speaker B: You know what else is excellent? This movie. [00:04:04] Speaker A: Well, I mean, we'll talk about it. We'll. We'll see. We'll see if we agree or disagree. I want to know, like, do we want to just. Just. Do we want to just jump right into it? [00:04:11] Speaker C: Well, who's the director of this movie first? [00:04:13] Speaker A: Oh, Alex will tell us that he's a. He's a. A greedy little bastard because he has to. Oh, no, but tell it. I'll. I'll come up with the line after you say it. What is his name? [00:04:23] Speaker B: His name is David Robert Mitchell. [00:04:26] Speaker A: He is so greedy that he has three first names because frankly, I guess not enough people have three first names. Three first names. So he just took them all. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I think about it, cuz I Lowkey dodged a bullet like that. My last name isn't a first name, cuz I have two first names. Like my middle name is also a first name. So I could have very well have been that. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Middle name is always a first name, is it? [00:04:49] Speaker B: Though. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Be weird to have, like, a last name as a middle. [00:04:52] Speaker B: What about, like, John F. Kennedy? He's like John Fitzgerald. John Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald's not a first name. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:04:57] Speaker B: It. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:57] Speaker B: I thought it was usually good old Fitzy. Oh, yeah. Fits. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Fits, huh? [00:05:02] Speaker B: Anyway, forget what I said. [00:05:03] Speaker A: If the shoe fits, huh? All right, so under the. Under the Silver Lake, directed by David Mitchell. David Robert Mitchell, starring Andrew Garfield, who. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Who plays Sam. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Did you find him attractive in this movie? [00:05:18] Speaker C: At the beginning. At the beginning, I did because they styled him a lot like they styled him in the Spider man movie. And I was. When, okay. In Tick Tick Boom. They made him look horrendous. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Well, he's dying of AIDS in that movie. Well, yes, exactly. [00:05:36] Speaker C: His hair. My God. [00:05:40] Speaker A: I didn't know you were talking about the hair specifically. [00:05:42] Speaker B: Are you seeing people that are dying of AIDS look horrendous, Stephanie? Is that what you're saying? [00:05:46] Speaker A: Awful. Cancel. Cancel. [00:05:49] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:05:50] Speaker C: Anyways, so in this movie, I thought he looked very attractive. And then as the movie went on, I. I started losing attraction. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Apparently he didn't. He didn't bathe for four weeks when he was filming a movie. [00:06:02] Speaker C: Well, that was his personality that. That was later on. Yeah. At like the very, like when he was like the opening scene, I was. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Like, dang, he looks gross dirt. [00:06:11] Speaker B: When he was standing in the. In the restaurant or when he was spying on a naked woman. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Was that when you find imagery? [00:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. [00:06:19] Speaker C: No, she's not. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Answer. I love it. She's sitting here and she's. She's forming words, but they're not coming out. [00:06:23] Speaker B: I mean, he's a good looking guy. He's got any y. At least in the beginning. He's got like that disheveled look that I can understand. [00:06:29] Speaker C: The opening scene was when he had sex with that girl. Like, that was like the, like the first scene. [00:06:33] Speaker A: That's pretty early on. [00:06:34] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, the first scene, I was like, dang, he's attractive. And then it showed who he was. And then I was like, oh, he's gross. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:43] Speaker C: But like, that first scene, wow. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Geez Louise. I actually, it's funny because, like, the. The very moment that the movie actually opened that, like, you know, it faded in. There was something on the screen that made me go, immediately, beware the dog murderer. Yeah. I was like, you, Alex, I can't get over the. The Jennifer Carpenter murder in. In a. Dragged across concrete. And then this movie opens up and I'm like, there's a dog murderer in this movie. [00:07:10] Speaker B: I knew you guys were gonna hate me when I started re watching the movie and I forgot about this in the movie. But it's when he's walking home after the opening scene and the squirrel falls out. The squirrel dies and then she looks. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Up at him and then it's such like, like puppet squirrel. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Which I'm glad. [00:07:28] Speaker A: It was terrible. Like, obviously it was on purpose, but I still don't get what the purpose of that was. [00:07:31] Speaker C: That was like hundreds of beavers. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was kind of disturbed by it, but I was laughing at the same time. Which is kind of the movie in a nutshell. It's like you. You disturb me kind of laughing at it. Anyway, I'm gonna leave it up to Alex. Alex, what's the plot of this movie? [00:07:47] Speaker B: So in this movie we follow like a 30 something year old. I'm not gonna look at the synopsis. So this is just me like, trying to. [00:07:52] Speaker A: If you did. [00:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah, 30 something year old. Loser. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Yeah, loser. [00:07:57] Speaker B: I mean, we get that pretty early on. He's. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Why is he a loser? [00:08:00] Speaker B: He doesn't have a job. Sits at home all day being a voyeur, spying on women naked. Is writing down some notes that we don't know, but he has like a stack of, like, messy papers. Is in this weird, like, relationship with this random chick that just shows up to his house and brings him food and says sushi. Brings him sushi and says that. Everybody keeps saying that he smells bad. [00:08:22] Speaker A: What's that smell like? [00:08:23] Speaker B: There's a lot of skunks around here. [00:08:25] Speaker A: There are. So I don't know. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Yeah. But I feel like at first it's just him actually smelling bad. [00:08:31] Speaker A: That was my assumption too. [00:08:33] Speaker C: Well, I assumed it was the pot that he was smoking because pot. Pot smells like skunk weed. [00:08:38] Speaker A: No, I know. [00:08:39] Speaker C: That's why I assumed, like, everyone was just like, oh, you stink. And he was. Those are skunks around. [00:08:43] Speaker B: I don't. [00:08:43] Speaker A: But I just thought everybody else smokes pot, so I figured they wouldn't notice. They wouldn't. [00:08:47] Speaker C: I think later on I realized that he just. [00:08:49] Speaker A: He just smells. [00:08:50] Speaker C: Smells. Even though he took a bath one time? [00:08:52] Speaker A: Well, no, because that's what he was. He was sprayed with a skunk and then. And he was in tomato. Tomato juice. [00:08:59] Speaker C: Poor guy. [00:09:00] Speaker A: Apparently not, because that's like the running gag. They're always like, what does that smell? [00:09:04] Speaker B: And this guy becomes. He's a paranoid individual who, as we. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Kind of come to find out, as. [00:09:11] Speaker B: We Come to find out and he is in love with this woman who mysteriously disappears, who he knows nothing about. He just sees her and he meets. [00:09:18] Speaker A: Her for one night. Yeah, it's a special night. [00:09:20] Speaker B: They connect and he becomes enamored with her and then she disappears. Disappears. And so he is seeking her out, trying to find her and going over la. Yeah. [00:09:29] Speaker A: Going all over the other character in the movie to be really stereotypical. But LA is a character in the movie. [00:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah. And well, he starts to uncover some. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Well, we don't have to go that far. He follows her and. And weird stuff starts to happen. What kind of ganra is this movie? [00:09:46] Speaker B: You know what I thought about? I thought about this. Obviously it's like a thriller, mystery. [00:09:51] Speaker A: There's nothing thrilling, thrilling in this movie, so let's drop that part. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Well, the movie rewards our patience. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Does it? [00:09:58] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. But I. I want to argue, and this is going to be my first point here, this movie is obviously inspired by noir. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Yeah. It has been described as Neo Noir. Yeah. [00:10:09] Speaker B: But I would say, I would go one step further to say it's like Neo Neo noir. And I found someone on YouTube that described this and like, I have to agree with this guy, I don't remember his name right now, but he's basically saying this guy has all the paranoia and like detective. Does the detective work of a noir movie? Yeah, yeah. But then it goes the path of Neo noir movies that kind of blur the lines of morality. There isn't just one good guy or one bad guy. Right. Like it's not just, you know, the, the strong detective against the. [00:10:38] Speaker A: The Nor tends not to have any good guys. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Right. But like, I don't know how to say, we kind of have like somebody that we favor more clearly in noir. Like at least your lead character here, your lead character is not the most redeeming, like individual. But I just made a face. Yeah. [00:10:54] Speaker A: I'm still being coy. [00:10:55] Speaker B: But where I'm getting like the, the Neo. Neo is because like, yes, he has like the detective of those movies, but he lacks all the charisma and coolness of a Neo Noir director. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:07] Speaker B: So he, I mean, of a Neo noir detective. So he's just like a loser figuring stuff out. So yeah, the genre is a loser. Mystery comedy. Yeah, it's definitely funny. [00:11:18] Speaker A: There's a lot of things I feel like you're meant to laugh at. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Kind of like an odyssey. I mean really like the movies. [00:11:25] Speaker A: It's Odyssey esque. Yeah. It reminded me a lot of Vertigo because like Vertigo is just him following this woman for most of the movies. Also, I don't like Vertigo. That's another reason why it reminded me of it. See what I did there? So, yeah, a lot of him is just kind of following people and running into weird denizens of Los Angeles. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Denizens. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Denizens. The people who live there. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Nice. [00:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Let me actually ask you, since we talked about that. He did. I think the. As you said, he's a loser. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:55] Speaker A: Did you guys enjoy being in his company for two and a half hours? Oh, sorry. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Oh, you don't want to answer first? [00:12:03] Speaker C: I mean, I'm. I'm a little biased because I like Andrew Garfield. [00:12:06] Speaker A: Like, I know. I think it's a good point because I was going to. I'm going to sort of jump onto. [00:12:09] Speaker C: That as an actor. I like him as an actor. [00:12:14] Speaker A: That's the first one. [00:12:14] Speaker C: You know him personally, everybody. I don't like him personally, but as an actor, he's pretty good. [00:12:19] Speaker A: You were just talking about how hot he is, so that's why I'm not buying it, you know? Like, I think. I think your attraction to him comes before you're liking him for his acting, for his actor. [00:12:29] Speaker C: I watched the movie for the plot, guys. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah, for the plot. Andrew Garfield. [00:12:32] Speaker A: I'm sorry, it's not the reason to watch this movie. [00:12:37] Speaker C: I was okay with being in his company the whole time. I think he was. He was an engaging character, even if he wasn't likable. He made you want to watch it to see if he failed. Because I was watching it being like, okay, this guy's definitely a jerk. He definitely has some problems. He beats up children. [00:12:57] Speaker A: Don't give that away. I want to spend a long time on that. [00:13:00] Speaker C: I want to talk about that later. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. Definitely one of my. [00:13:03] Speaker C: So I wasn't rooting for him, but I was very intrigued in him. So I was. I was happy being on this journey with him to see is he going to get what he deserves? Is he going to get some kind of satisfaction? Like, what is this guy going after? What is he going to get out of this? Like, I wanted to see what happens to him. [00:13:24] Speaker A: Do you feel he gets something out of it at the end without going too far into it now, you could just give a yes or no. [00:13:29] Speaker C: I think so. Yeah. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:30] Speaker C: I think he does. [00:13:31] Speaker A: That'll be cool. It'll be interesting to hear. Alejandro. [00:13:34] Speaker B: I think casting Andrew Garfield was, like, a deliberate move on his part. Andrew Garfield is, like, in the lives of a lot of people that consume movies like, as A, like, like a lot of us see him at least like my generation see him as like, Spider Man. Like, he's Spider Man. [00:13:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:53] Speaker B: And in Spider man, he plays that double role where by day he's kind of like, you know, the nerd. And then when he becomes Spider man, he's nerd. He's a super nerd. But he's still. But now he's like the cool, like, nerd, you know. [00:14:04] Speaker C: Skateboard. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he plays like a specific Spider Man. He's not like regular Peter Parker. He's like the photographer, like, skateboarder Peter Parker. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Anyway, he's the emo Peter Parker. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a grungy and so full emo. [00:14:18] Speaker A: He, he, he was front like my. My Chemical Romance. [00:14:23] Speaker B: And so then casting him in this role where he's playing like a loser, it's almost like. I don't know how to explain this. It feels like if he was like child star that like. And this is how he's living his life now. Just like. Yeah, exactly. Like, that's how I feel. And so I thought that was a. In that I enjoyed being with him. I do think he is a loser. And at times I became so frustrated with his character. But like. And without get revealing too much about what the movie is, he's constantly searching for a meaning. And that's the same thing that we, the audience, do when we're watching the movie and when we watch other movies. And sometimes we do that so much that we become like him. So, like, yes, I enjoyed being in his presence, but at other times his presence made me, like, aware of how like, stupid we can be sometimes because we're constantly trying to search for something and sometimes we just have to kind of, you know. But I'll get into that later. [00:15:20] Speaker A: I think that's a very good point. I loathed being around him the whole movie. And, and I don't want it to be some kind of simple like, oh, why should I be with this guy? Because I hate him. There's many movies where the lead character is loathsome, but they're entertaining to be around. So I find it interesting that you guys were entertained by him because I was not. I couldn't stand his twitchy performance. It felt so actorly and just so forced and just any sort of delivery, obviously 90% of it is on purpose. We were supposed to dislike him, but I wasn't even entertained being around him. And so I just really, really hated his performance. It's again, to kind of go on the unpopular Train. It reminded me a little bit of, like, a bad impression of. Of the dude in. In Big Leowski, which is. It's. As much as I love Jeff Bridges now, like, I also did not like that performance. It felt so. One note to me, and it just kind of feels, like, so repetitive. And it's kind of how it felt with. With Andrew Garfield. And. And. And like, I just could not stand being around him for the two and a half hours. [00:16:22] Speaker C: I mean, at least for me, what sold it was that he was a loser. And, like, everything that he did was or got out of life was totally his fault. Like, everything was karma. But he wasn't pathetic. And that's what loses. Like, he wasn't. He wasn't pathetic in the way where he was undetermined. Like, he. He had some sort of drive. [00:16:43] Speaker B: He has some passion. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Yeah. At least he was passionate. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah, well, for nonsense. Like, for. For following something. You know what I mean? Like, he doesn't have passion to do it. [00:16:55] Speaker C: Like, when he hung out with his, like, his friends and other people, like, he. He engaged in, like, these conversations and, like, sought people out and, like, went to these weird parties and, like, talk to people. Like, even if it wasn't for the right reasons, like, he was like the whole movie. Wasn't him wallowing at home. Not the whole movie. Some parts of the movie. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Are you saying introverts are pathetic? No, that's what it sounds like. [00:17:19] Speaker B: I had to. [00:17:21] Speaker A: What are you trying to say, Stephanie? So if you like to stay home, you're. You're pathetic. [00:17:25] Speaker C: I wouldn't be entertained if I. Watching Andrew Garfield, like, slope through this whole movie being like, but why. But this. But everything is everyone else's fault. [00:17:36] Speaker A: And I kind of feel that's what he's doing. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it kind of is. [00:17:39] Speaker C: I kind of didn't get that. I thought, like, he. He knew that he was a loser. Like, he understood that he sucked. And, like, he was at least trying to seek out something in life to help him not suck. Like, he was trying to better himself in a way that wasn't normal. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Quote, unquote. Normal. [00:17:58] Speaker C: Yeah, like he was. He was doing something which made or. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Trying to get something out of life. [00:18:02] Speaker C: Which made me want to watch it because I wanted to see if he could get better. Like, if this irredeemable character could somehow find a motivation in life to try redeeming himself. And I think that's why I wanted to watch it. If he had no Pat. If he had, like, no motivation to be a better person, it would have Lost me. I would be like, okay, this guy sucks. He knows he sucks. He doesn't want to stop sucking, so why should I have any, like, part in this? What am I trying? What. What am I. What is he getting out of this? What am I getting out of this? But he's. He was trying to go so sorry somewhere. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:39] Speaker C: And that's what engaged me. [00:18:40] Speaker A: I would disagree. And. And. And not, like, in a. Shut up. You're wrong. You know what I mean? Like. Like, I. I just feel like. I almost feel like the fact that his. His. The only way to get him out of the house and to care about something is to be paranoid and think that there's conspiracies going on around him and he has to track him down and read, like, codes that aren't there. You know what I mean? To me, that's, like, the ultimate pathetic, because it's like, rather than bettering himself and actually caring about the things that are in front of him and taking care of the people that are around him, he's just, like, focusing on a fantasy world and hoping that it's true, even if it's dark as fuck. He's like, oh, I want it to be true because I wanted to be some sort of because meaning underneath all this. [00:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's not like he. He ignored everybody around him. Like, he was at least nice to his mom. Like, he wasn't like, was he, though? [00:19:25] Speaker A: He's lying to her, though, like, on the phone. [00:19:28] Speaker C: Like, he wasn't like, oh, like, shut up. [00:19:29] Speaker A: No, but, but. But it was that sort of dismissive. Like, he's just, like, not really listening to her, you know? Like, his. His answers are very kind of generic and. And kind of almost programmed. [00:19:38] Speaker B: Yeah. He's like, oh, is that your favorite movie? Oh, I don't have cable. Yeah. [00:19:41] Speaker A: While he's watching naked women parading around. True, elderly naked women. [00:19:46] Speaker C: I don't know. There's just something there. Okay, like, I totally understand why it might not have engaged you, because it. It took a lot for me to. [00:19:56] Speaker A: Like, see it, and I'm already put off by. [00:19:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:59] Speaker A: The. The rapping, you know, like, like, me. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Me. [00:20:02] Speaker A: Not that he raps in the movie. [00:20:03] Speaker C: I meant, like, I think it was me having grown up with him as Spider man, like you said, and, like, really liking him as a character, and then. And seeing him in this role that I would have never, like, thought that. [00:20:14] Speaker A: Was a little shocking. [00:20:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I was, like, so shocked into being engaged. I was like, how the hell is he gonna pull this off as an. [00:20:21] Speaker B: Actor, if I may add to that, though. [00:20:23] Speaker A: And you may not. [00:20:25] Speaker B: And not to say you're necessarily wrong, because I do agree with you in a way. Like, there's something about him that's very, like, kind of entertaining to watch go down. [00:20:34] Speaker A: That's what I didn't feel. I understand where you guys are coming from. I did not. Like, I wanted to feel that, but I couldn't. Go ahead. [00:20:39] Speaker B: Right. But here's my issue. Is, like, what he. Search. Searching. Like, yes, he's searching for meaning, and I wrote it here. Hold up. He's excusing his shortcomings with his paranoia and his. Yes, exactly. He has all these shortcomings, and instead of, like, taking care of them. Taking care of them or, like, getting his life together, he's instead looking to other things, like these, you know, things that are out of his control and, like, all his paranoia to fix his people. Yeah. Instead of validating, like, instead of figuring out what the hell is actually wrong with him. So, like, also, even. [00:21:11] Speaker A: And. [00:21:11] Speaker B: And now we can actually. This might be a good segue into the plot. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:15] Speaker B: When he's pursuing Sarah. Yeah, Sarah. Right. Sarah. Samantha Sarah. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Oh, Sarmantha. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah. What happened to your immediate Sarah, played by Riley Cough. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Q. Yeah, she's. She's a singer. And there's a band called Riley. Basically her name. The man's named after her. I always thought it was like, Kyo, but I don't know. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Can you. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Can you YouTube have her say it? [00:21:45] Speaker B: We need to. [00:21:46] Speaker A: I. Yeah, he's following her. And I always wanted to know how to say her name. O'Reilly was supposed to be played by. [00:21:53] Speaker B: You have a fun fact for us. [00:21:54] Speaker A: I looked it up on Imdaba, but it's supposed to be played by somebody else that I like. Oh, let's go past the ads first. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Oh, they can't. They can't skip them, so. [00:22:03] Speaker A: I know. I'm just saying we're just gonna wait for the ad to go pirate first. Okay. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Looking at how to Shut up. [00:22:08] Speaker A: I'm going to trust that guy and producer. [00:22:11] Speaker B: He's Fred. He's English. Appearances in independent films and in movies and tv. Point already. The girlfriend. Oh, it Is there another one. Lucky. He's still going. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Still going. [00:22:25] Speaker B: Shut up. [00:22:26] Speaker A: This guy pronounce Riley Ko. [00:22:31] Speaker B: It's just K. Shitty name. [00:22:34] Speaker A: People should be like a full. [00:22:37] Speaker C: Like that. Kio. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Sounds like a car. [00:22:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:42] Speaker A: And it's funny. They key his car. Kio. The key is car. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Clever. [00:22:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:47] Speaker C: Her name is Riley Q. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Well, back to what I was gonna Say that's kind of gonna lead us into our plot. I kind of felt like his whole pursuit of Riley Keough's Samantha was to try to get laid. He. He. Yeah, he brings up all these, like. Like, paranoia and is trying to figure out this, like, intricate, like, thing that's so hard to understand just to be able to find this girl so he can get laid. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's like, even though he has, like, you know, women throwing themselves at him, basically. I mean, you know, the. The. The pseudo girlfriend who always comes in a different outfit. Like, she was dressed as, like, a. Oktoberfest waitress. Yeah. Once. And then as a nurse. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah. For her auditions. [00:23:27] Speaker A: And then. Yeah. And then she never shows up again. [00:23:30] Speaker C: And then. Balloon girl. [00:23:32] Speaker A: Balloon girl. And then he hires the other girl, but she didn't seem to mind the. Okay, so before we get into. Well, I don't know. I just. I do want to point out that, like, the. The first five to ten minutes of the movie made me a little uncomfortable. Yeah. I. Okay. So. So apparently I was reading some interviews with the three first name guy. And. And he. And they were like, from 2019, I think, when. When the movie premiered a con. And then people didn't like it and they. They gave it bad reviews. And, I mean, it was. There was some good. [00:24:07] Speaker B: It wasn't like, yeah, he was nominated for the Palm Door icon. [00:24:10] Speaker A: For that one. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Yeah. For this one. [00:24:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Well, okay, I was nominated. Didn't win. [00:24:14] Speaker A: Yeah, he didn't win. I didn't realize he got nominated. But, like. But, like, yeah, I mean, the critical award was not great. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:19] Speaker A: And. And. And he sort of. He's like, hey, yeah, I don't have to take these things kind of in stride. But he was like, the thing that kind of got me was that, you know, they were saying that I was misogynist, that the movie is misogynistic. And he was like, like, how can you not tell that this is the character? This is not me. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:36] Speaker A: You know. You know all these things. And I. And it's funny because when I watched the movie, I was under this weird impression that he had been canceled for something. When I looked it up, I couldn't find anything. [00:24:46] Speaker B: From my understanding, he kind of got blacklisted from Hollywood. Not black. Like, okay. Not like it said, okay, we're director's jail. Yeah, director jail. He got put in director jail. And some people speculated that it was because he's expos. Hollywood and la, which I don't like. [00:24:58] Speaker A: After seeing the movie, I don't. I Don't believe that for one second because he doesn't expose anything like, like, it's just. It's just a goofy sort of, you know, reveal at the end that that would not. Yeah, that wouldn't ruin anybody. You know what I mean? So that just completely sounds made up to. To a certain degree. No, I think it's just more director's jail because he made a high profile movie that. That bombed. [00:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:21] Speaker A: And this happens sometimes. It's weird how Hollywood works where there's some people who, you know, make movies that lose so much money and then. And then they get to make movies no matter what. And then other people just. Because it's the second movie, it only cost 8 million and so. And it only made 400,000 in the theaters because it was a huge mom. Yeah, but that. He was basically in director jail. He seems to be fine now because he's. He's gonna be doing. They follow. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:46] Speaker A: And then he has a big budget. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Movie called like Fruitvale street or something. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Something like that. Yeah, it's with. With Ewan McGregor and Anne Hathaway. And Hathaway. Oh, just there right in the microphone. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Nice. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:59] Speaker A: And much better. Back into the microphone. What am I doing? Go ahead. Sorry. [00:26:03] Speaker B: And yeah, there's other directors that, like in recent memory. Damien Chazelle, the same thing happened to him. The guy that did La La Land, then he did Babylon and after Babylon. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Cost a ton of money. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. It was supposed to be an Oscar. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Winner and then it just kind. It just tanked. [00:26:16] Speaker B: But he also went to director jail because of it too, so. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Well, until now it's not been that long since he has a movie coming out. Doesn't he? [00:26:24] Speaker B: He's making one now, but nobody wanted to give him funding after. [00:26:27] Speaker A: I mean. But then again, you spend $200 million, you have a movie with Brad Pitt and Margot Roby and like everybody in it, and it just bombs hard, you know, Like, I sort of. I'm like, he shouldn't go to director's jokes. He's made three good movies. Yeah, but. But yeah, just to be on your second movie. 8 million. It is an A24 film, so we expect it to be weird. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:47] Speaker A: And then, you know, it just. It flops. But. And apparently another thing was that a 24, which kind of has this. This reputation as being, you know, indie and cool and stuff, they were telling him to cut it. They were like, cut the movie down or we're not going to, you know. And so like, they had a release date for It. It didn't meet the release date because he wouldn't cut it, apparently. And then they put it out. And when they put it out, I think it was kind of like a little bit, like, dragged across concrete. They didn't do it day and date theaters and vod, but it was like three days later or a week later. It was. So it didn't make much of an impression, box office wise, but apparently he seems to be back on track, so that's kind of cool. How do we get here? Director's jail. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Director's jail. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. So sorry. [00:27:30] Speaker B: Misogynist. [00:27:31] Speaker A: Like, the first five, ten minutes of the movie, like, it felt misogynistic to me because you have, like, this. It's hard to say. Unnecessary. Like, it's hard to say there's necessary nudity and unnecessary nudity. But. But, you know, in the first minute, he's. He's watching a woman, an elderly woman walking around, you know, topless for five minutes. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:53] Speaker A: He's staring at Riley Keough's butt, and the camera kind of zooms in. We understand that. That's his point of view. So, like, I get that. But even the sex scene after, like, it goes on like. Like. Like, with dialogue and she's. And, like, it's funny. Like. Wait, am I going to say this part? No, I'm not gonna say this part. So it's funny like, that. That scene goes on so long, and she's fully naked in the scene. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:21] Speaker A: And Andrew Garfa gets to keep his. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Shirt on and just has his butt out. [00:28:24] Speaker A: And just has his butt out. And then it's like, even afterwards, when they're done, she's sitting in the bed with. With the. With the bed sheet down, so her boobs are out the whole time. And I'm just kind of like, yeah. Is all this necessary? Like, what are. Like, I don't see this being from his point of view. You know what I mean? Like. Like, so it made me so. And then when I had this idea that there was something weird about him, which there was not. Let me just make that clear. I really was just sort of like, dude, what's with this guy? Like, what's with these opening 10 minutes? And then, like, the after, when you just keep looking at women's asses, I was like, okay. Yeah, okay. [00:28:54] Speaker C: I mean, like, as a woman, in my perspective, I didn't see it as misogynistic just because I was. I was fully aware of, like, those scenes and, like, the play, like, constantly cutting to the Playboy magazines and, like, him constantly having his shirt off in every scene. Like, there was. There was so much of just him being a pervert throughout the entire. Like, I think they were really just trying to show, like, this guy is motivated by sex this entire movie. He's just. He's after a woman who he barely knows. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Because he wants to have sex. Every single woman that he interacts with, either he has sex with or wants. [00:29:32] Speaker A: To have sex with. [00:29:34] Speaker C: Like, this is just a perverted man who is completely motivated by sex. And I think all of the nudity and, like, the sexual innuendos were just really pushing that. This guy is weird. [00:29:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:46] Speaker A: But I don't. It's a conversation we were having with Dragon across concrete. Like, how much is. Is the director saying something and. Or how much is he trying to show a character? You know, something? I. I just kind of felt like a lot of the nudity was unnecessary. Yeah, I. I just. I don't know. Something threw me off on that one. Maybe it's unfair to say, like, I really hate being like that. That's not necessary. But. And again, like, a. None of it was titillating. You know what I mean? Like. Like, wrong choice of words. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah. What are you trying to say there? Are you saying none of the. The movie or, like, the. [00:30:18] Speaker A: That you can tell he wasn't trying to be like, isn't this sexy? [00:30:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:30:22] Speaker A: None of it was sexy, exactly. It was not comfortable nudity. It was a pretty, like, straightforward nudity. But, like. Yeah, it was just. Just. It was weird because, like, I said, the. I just kind of felt like my impression was, she's taking her clothes off. He's not, you know, like, he's not as nude as she is. Even though his butts out. Like, it's not as kind of graphic as it is for her. And so I just kind of. I was a little thrown by that. [00:30:45] Speaker B: But doesn't that say something about the kind of relationship that the two of them have? [00:30:48] Speaker A: It could. [00:30:49] Speaker B: Where he's kind of a loser who doesn't even take his shirt off on the day and doesn't even take his shirt off when they have sex. But she does. She breaks, brings food and shows up to his house and. I don't know. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's a good point. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Where, like, there's other scenes where he has, like, full nudity. Like, all nudity except for frontal. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:06] Speaker C: Which would be. [00:31:07] Speaker A: I thought you're gonna be like, that's gonna be great. [00:31:09] Speaker B: I wish I. I forgot what. Where it was, but I saw, like, when he. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Oh, when he. Oh, sorry, I thought you were asking. [00:31:15] Speaker B: No, no, I saw an interview one time where it was like a, a panel of, of actors and a director, like, talking about a movie that came out. And then somebody asks like a question, trying to be like, hard hit. Why was there so much female nudity? Like so much female full frontal nudity and, like, no male full frontal nudity. And then one of the actors took the mic and he said, well, I'll answer this question. When people are having sex, you don't see the front of the man. And I was like, well, to be fair, I mean, he's not wrong. I need to find the actual clip. [00:31:46] Speaker C: I think also in, in movies, like, full frontal male nudity is not as accepted as full of frontal. Like, if that's in a movie, I'm not even even like, like grown people in the audience are kind of covering. [00:31:58] Speaker A: Their eyes, which is ridiculous. That's again, like, our society is ridiculous. [00:32:01] Speaker C: That's just a societal thing. [00:32:02] Speaker A: Like, that probably would. [00:32:03] Speaker C: That would bomb a movie sometimes. Sometimes it's like, if it's just like splashed in there, just like, boom. Full frontal male nudity. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Don't say splash. I'm saying titillating. You're saying splashed. All right, just. Honestly, our linguistics here. Are our linguinis here a little bit weird? No, I, like I said, I. I just. It felt odd to me that, you know, like, again, he seems to be clothed when she was not. And granted, I mean, he. There is a butt shot when he comes back from the lake late in the movie. But see what I did there? I don't even know if that was him. That could have been. Because we don't see his face. That could have been a body double. A body double. And considering that there is a ludicrous body double at one point. Not about. Sorry, not a body double. A stuntman frog. Most stupid scene. Did you guys catch it? [00:32:55] Speaker B: Wait, where. [00:32:55] Speaker A: There's one point, kind of earlyish in the movie where he's running back to the apartment and he kind of slips a little bit like on, on the, the, the walkway to his apartment. It's totally not him. [00:33:05] Speaker B: When he's like, going through the forest. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Yeah, like, he came from the forest area and then he comes back and I was like, dude, that was. I rewound it. And I was like, it's just a guy with like a full beard. Whoa. I'm Andrew Garfield. And I was like, so if they do that already, I'm like, I would not have a problem believing that. That Was that was something else's booty running around. But at the end. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah. He. He meets that. That girl Riley Keo. [00:33:24] Speaker B: Sarah. [00:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah, Sarah. Do you. Do you guys. Okay, so you were basically saying like he only knew for a night. He's just following cuz he wants to get laid. Can I just ask like, do you think there was. Because I don't. Do you think there was any kind of spark between them on that night they spent together where they were just talking and getting high? [00:33:42] Speaker B: You want to go first? [00:33:44] Speaker C: I think that he thought that there was. I also think that he was trying to delude himself into thinking that there was so that he can use his own paranoia as like a thrust. Thrust language. [00:34:03] Speaker A: As a catalyst. [00:34:04] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. To answer why he was doing this. [00:34:10] Speaker A: But I mean to excuse why he's doing. [00:34:12] Speaker C: To excuse why he was doing the things that he was doing. But even she said like that's great. [00:34:16] Speaker A: When he finally. [00:34:17] Speaker C: She's like, barely knew me. You were looking for nothing about me. Like she was so confused as to why he would do this. Like why he was calling her. Like who is this guy? [00:34:29] Speaker A: He's like, because you're pretty. [00:34:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think in the same way that he's trying to find meaning in everything in his life except in, you know, himself. I think he was important. Yeah. He said the important things. I think he was just trying to find meaning in her. [00:34:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:43] Speaker B: And like be like, okay, well this girl, like this is the one. Like. Yeah, I think that's all. [00:34:49] Speaker A: And I think if. If she hadn't disappeared, he probably would have not given her much of a thought. He probably would have dated her, gone to see her and that would have been it. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. He would have just had sex with her. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Like shitty sex with her. Yeah, yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker B: And it's like the thing is too, the fact that. [00:35:02] Speaker A: No, we're not going to get into that. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:04] Speaker A: The thing is cuz he's doing. No we're not. [00:35:07] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:09] Speaker A: It's a very impersonal way that he's having sex with. With. With his girlfriend. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Cuz he's like a. Yeah, yeah. Well the relationship is also impersonal. [00:35:16] Speaker C: He's a loser. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:17] Speaker C: And a pervert. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah, no, exactly. I'm just saying it fits into it. [00:35:20] Speaker B: It's like callback companion. It was when, like when they were having sex in that movie. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Anyway, what was I going to say? [00:35:26] Speaker A: You should have a callback button. [00:35:27] Speaker B: Call back. [00:35:28] Speaker A: Call back. I don't know. Ding dong. No ding dong. Phone Call. [00:35:31] Speaker B: We have to be. [00:35:32] Speaker A: Yeah. My loser ring on my phone. Apparen. Just. Just as it's an old man ring. [00:35:38] Speaker C: It kind of is. [00:35:40] Speaker A: I mean, as if I ever thought about this, you know? [00:35:44] Speaker C: Customize your life. Customize your life. Add some sparkle to your. [00:35:49] Speaker A: It's going to be me going phone ringing, phone drinking. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Oh, no. I was going to say, I feel like we've all known that guy too. Like, I know that guy who, like, is a loser and like. Or like. Or maybe does do well with women. But then, like, he meets, like, one girl. He's like, no, dude, this is the one. This is the one. And then it ends up being nothing. He. She, like, looked at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:36:12] Speaker A: She said hello to him. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:13] Speaker C: She touched my arm every day. [00:36:15] Speaker B: She's in love with me. [00:36:17] Speaker C: She wants me so bad. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so far we're 37 minutes in and we have not even gotten into the actual. [00:36:23] Speaker A: We're doing good, are we? Yeah. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:36:25] Speaker A: I'm happy with this. [00:36:25] Speaker C: I really want to talk about the kids. See? [00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And I was gonna say that it. It is the next moment in the. In the, like the next big thing in the movie. So he. [00:36:32] Speaker B: Wait, do we need to establish the. That she goes missing? [00:36:35] Speaker A: No, it doesn't happen yet. [00:36:36] Speaker B: Okay. Oh, the kid. [00:36:37] Speaker A: It's that night. He leaves her apartment and he's. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Did we find the. Did he get his hands on the. On the comic book yet? Did he go to the comic book store yet? Right. [00:36:46] Speaker A: He goes, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Finds the Silver Lake comic. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I forgot where that. It's around that time. I don't know if it's before or after. It's probably. Yeah, it was before. [00:36:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:55] Speaker B: He goes before we get there, he ends up going to the comic book store and he finds. Finds a. A comic book that says that sort. [00:37:01] Speaker A: Of seems to be tied into things that he's seen in real life about. [00:37:05] Speaker B: A dog murderer and about a silver lake and people going missing. Anyway, let us. [00:37:09] Speaker A: And the owl murderer and the owl murder. [00:37:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Which. What the. But we'll get there. [00:37:13] Speaker A: Which. What the. [00:37:15] Speaker B: The kid. Let's. Let's talk about beating up some kids. [00:37:17] Speaker A: When he can I just say this was my favorite scene in the movie. I know we're supposed to be shocked and mortified by what he did. I was laughing my ass off. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Me too. [00:37:28] Speaker A: Because he's just punching these kids an egg in his mouth. And there's a part of me because I. I have a lot of bratty in My neighborhood. That was just like, this is such a fantasy for me. Like, I would love to do this to somebody's brats. I know it's wrong, but my gosh, I would love. And I don't think I've seen a movie where. Where a grown man just punches a kid in like a wide shot and then takes the other one. They love it. [00:37:58] Speaker B: It was so good. I loved it. [00:37:59] Speaker C: They were like, peeing on a car too, those kids. [00:38:02] Speaker A: They were terrible. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Like, just complete disregard of disrespect for other people's property. [00:38:08] Speaker B: You. [00:38:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that should happen all the time. [00:38:10] Speaker C: I also fully didn't think he was gonna do that. I saw him watching these. [00:38:14] Speaker A: Because we think he's pathetic. We're like, he's not gonna. He's not gonna act. [00:38:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, they had eggs. They were peeing on his car and all of a sudden just runs the egg in his mouth, punches him in the face, throws him on the ground. [00:38:25] Speaker A: But he even has like a Hulk moment before, like, when he's watching, he's. [00:38:28] Speaker B: Like, like, he's like, like getting angrier and angrier. [00:38:32] Speaker C: He's like, that's it. This is the final straw. [00:38:34] Speaker A: And it's like we kind of. We kind of probably. We may dismiss it because we're like, those kids deserved it. And. And like we've had these run ins with these kids and you can't do that, you know? And so we're like. It's. There's like this. This fantasy of almost like, ah, yeah, you give it to those little bastards. But then when he's following the three people from that. That show up in the apartment, and he sort of has a long sequence where he's following him. He follows them to a party and he. He kind of not. I don't want to say confront because he has nothing to confront them for, but he confronts the girl in the bathroom and he kind of gets violent with her too. Like, the way he grabs her arm and everything. And she. Luckily she. She kicks him in the. In the nuts. And. And I was like, good, good. Because I was like, what the. Because I wasn't quite sure who he was yet at this point. And so when he just got like. He just got like rough, like, like uncompletely. Not that there ever is an excuse, but, like, really, like, what do you think you're doing? Like, what do you think the reaction is going to be if you do on. And so it kind of. It fits in with what we saw before, but there. It wasn't funny. No, but it was because little kids do deserve. [00:39:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:33] Speaker B: And like, to be fair, now we frown upon like. Like hitting kids. But I feel like that was like. [00:39:38] Speaker A: I think we should go back to. Yeah, I don't think. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Oh, I won't go there. [00:39:41] Speaker A: No, no. [00:39:42] Speaker B: But like, if. If a little kid, every time they. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Get up in the morning. Punch them. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Kick them back into the bed. [00:39:48] Speaker A: No, they need to get up and do some work for you. Yeah. Who's going to. Who's going to mow my lawn otherwise? [00:39:52] Speaker B: Listen, there's an argument to be made that if some kids pee and egg pee on a things, you should be able to at least. [00:39:59] Speaker A: At least make them eat the eggs. [00:40:01] Speaker C: At least shove an egg in their face. [00:40:02] Speaker B: Yeah. That way they'll end up. [00:40:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Peeing on them. I've been to a little too much, though. [00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah. It's so funny, though. I mean, come on. [00:40:11] Speaker C: There were a couple of scenes where he was. He was violent towards people. We'll talk about that later. [00:40:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:16] Speaker A: As we kind of get to it. But yeah, it was. It was the moment where I was watching and I go, fuck you, you, Alex. Yeah. I did it with a. With a smile that time. Yeah. There was no anger. [00:40:26] Speaker B: Yeah. This wasn't like a you, Alex. Like, you just made me watch Dragged Across Con. [00:40:30] Speaker A: It's only because they were. These were so close to each other this Tuesday and Friday. And I watched them and they're long. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:36] Speaker A: And they're. And they're, you know, I mean, Dragged across to me is much worse. It. Yeah. I just. It's just so filthy in that last half hour. And they're like digging through the guy's guts to find a key. We never even spoke about that. [00:40:50] Speaker B: He cuts the guy open. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And starts pulling his entrails out. Was just really. [00:40:54] Speaker C: I didn't want to talk about this. [00:40:55] Speaker A: Yeah. But there is a moment with entrails here of a dog, which I wasn't. Did not appreciate, but apparently it was a. Was a dream sequence. But is it. Because who knows? People do. I mean, there are theories that he actually is the dog killer himself. [00:41:09] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what German said. [00:41:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:11] Speaker C: Because in all of his, like, like dream sequences there was always like a person barking. [00:41:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:17] Speaker C: Like a dog. And. And he had like this weird thing with dogs in the whole movie where everyone was like, oh, like your. Your dog died. Why don't you get. Why don't you like dogs? Are you a dog or a cat person? [00:41:29] Speaker B: And he carries around the thing in case the Girlfriend ever. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Like the dog treats. [00:41:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:34] Speaker A: Right. And is that why he's carrying it? That was. Excuse. Yeah, exactly. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:38] Speaker C: So I. I think German was like 90. Sure that he was. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Actually, I think that there's a good case to be made for that. [00:41:44] Speaker B: I would have to agree with German here. I think he. Maybe in his dreams, he's. His dreams are like. You know how they say that a lot of, like, murderers, like, go into, like a. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Like transl. [00:41:55] Speaker B: They commit. [00:41:55] Speaker A: I mean, he clearly is not, you know. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Okay. [00:41:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he's not okay. He's having visions and. And all kinds of stuff. And I mean, I was glad that if for a movie that features a dog murderer, that we only see something that. That, that we could at least excuse on. On the surface as. As a dream sequence. Because I was like, if we have to watch a dog get killed, there are already animated bits where you kind of see it. And I did not like that. And. And of course, then I, you know what I said. [00:42:18] Speaker B: But you didn't mind in the Toxic Avengers. [00:42:21] Speaker A: We did talk about that. [00:42:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:22] Speaker A: And I really wouldn't go so far as I didn't mind, but it was just so ridiculous. And the dog's clearly alive. Yeah, Alive, alive. [00:42:29] Speaker B: The dog's clearly alive. [00:42:31] Speaker A: Dogs clearly alive. [00:42:33] Speaker B: The rocky road to Dublin. [00:42:35] Speaker A: German Dublin. He's alive. [00:42:39] Speaker C: I mean, to psychoanalyze the movie really quick, I would make a strong case that this is a movie about Andrew Garfield's character being very strongly schizophrenic because he does show a lot of signs and I think that would make it. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Really cool to Paranoid schizophrenia. [00:42:56] Speaker C: Yeah. If this was just him dealing with, this could very well be mental illness. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:01] Speaker C: And, like, going through or not dealing. [00:43:03] Speaker A: With it or not giving into it. [00:43:04] Speaker C: Like, going through, like, the psychological, like, mess of, like, this person. I think that would be a really cool perspective. [00:43:12] Speaker A: Yeah. It could also explain the owl lady. [00:43:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:14] Speaker B: No, the owl lady was just an assassin for the. For the. The people. [00:43:19] Speaker A: And she can crawl out of his cabinet comfortably. [00:43:23] Speaker B: She's an assassin and then disappears. Also, why does she buttoning. [00:43:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Why does she have to be the. [00:43:29] Speaker B: Seductive outlet and walk, like, on her to begin? [00:43:31] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. Like, when. When we kind of talk about the misogyny aspect, there are these things in there where I'm like, are you sure it's just because of the character? Yeah. But I did love when he startles her when he has the gun. And, like, there's like, a bird noise. There was a bird noise. Yeah. It's like. [00:43:49] Speaker B: Well, then here's the thing. Like, it could be the idea that he's just schizophrenic. [00:43:54] Speaker A: I think that that's. [00:43:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he's just a paranoid schizophrenic. But then halfway through the movie when you, You. You're building up pretty much maybe thinking that, okay, he's just crazy and he's just getting nowhere, then it gets revealed to us that there actually is. [00:44:06] Speaker A: But that could still be part of his. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be still part of. [00:44:08] Speaker A: His paranoia because, you know, again, I mean, he's using the, the clues and, and the. What is it? The. What am I saying? [00:44:15] Speaker B: The code. [00:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:16] Speaker B: The subliminals. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Can we mention. Can we talk about the subliminal? I mean, the, the codes in the movie. So I, I don't want to go through and try to explain what it is because even the article that I read was like, you know, they got to like an impasse where they're like, we don't know where it goes on from here. But just to kind of give you an idea of like, how kind of. Kind of fun. Clever. I guess I, I can't say completely clever because. Because we can't solve it completely. So I don't know yet. But what they actually do in the movie as far as the codes that are in there. So I think we all notice when he. He's throwing up in the bathroom. Uhhuh. In the stall. In the bathroom stall. That there are symbols on the, on the bathroom stall walls. Oh. Oh. [00:44:50] Speaker B: It kind of flew over. [00:44:51] Speaker A: It's like an overhead shot and you can see that there's like looking down. [00:44:54] Speaker B: Graffiti or something. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And so it's. Yeah. So it actually is code. And so if you decipher the code, it basically. I forget. I think you have to use. I think this. I forgot how it goes, but it kind of connects to when, when they go to the guy who's drawing the comics house. The comic. Yes. And like, he has. In the background, he has like a code decipher. And so you have to use the, the. You have to use. Use a picture of that and you have to decipher the code in this. In the stall. And then what it says is beginning of the movie sort of a thing. That's. That's not. It says something along those lines, like. [00:45:22] Speaker B: This is where the story actually. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Or it says like, beginning cafe. Right. So then you have to go back to the beginning cafe scene. And if. When it pans. When it pans past the, the menu written chalk. There's Morse code at the bottom of it. And so then you have to decode the Morse code and that leads to the next thing and it kind of keeps going from there. And they were like, sort of like at one point they were like, oh, no. Okay. That's the other thing. It decodes into something that. That says that misspells the word free. So it's like, I don't know, it just spells it F R E. Then if you go and look, you know, when he's staring at. At the. The billboard with. With his ex girlfriend. I assume that's his ex girlfriend. [00:45:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it is his ex girlfriend. [00:46:00] Speaker A: Down at the bottom of the billboard, like, actually, like on the. The thing that's holding the billboard, there's a little sign that says E equals E. Wow. So that means that free actually does spell free F R E E. So it's just kind of cool how these little things are, like, hidden in the movie. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:17] Speaker A: So just kind of gives you an idea of, like, what kind of codes and what they. What do they lead to? Probably nothing. But it's just kind of fun how they did that. [00:46:24] Speaker C: So cool. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I enjoyed that. [00:46:26] Speaker B: And that's kind of like what a lot of the movie is, which I have a lot of respect for David Robert Mitchell for, like, creating this world and like, creating all these little threads that we follow. But ultimately a lot of the threads lead to nothing. But then in the end. Well, I don't know if we can. [00:46:42] Speaker A: We can go there. [00:46:43] Speaker B: I. I mean, essentially. Right. Well, once he. Once he decodes everything, there's the code. That's the. That means keep quiet. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what. That's the first thing that he sees. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah, the first thing that he sees. And then at the end, after he, you know, comes to. After he discovers everything, that he ends up finding out that all these, you know, people are communicating through symbols and all this stuff. And his theory is proven correctly. He goes back to his regular life. And even after having discovered all these things, what does he really arrive at? Nothing. I mean, he. He solves all these things, but he's. [00:47:16] Speaker A: Still kicked out of his apartment. [00:47:17] Speaker B: He's still kicked out of his apartment. [00:47:18] Speaker A: He has to continue squatting, I guess, with the. With the old naked lady. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he has to continue living his life regularly. And then he's there with the old naked lady and he asks her, oh, you know, what are the birds saying? And she goes, nothing. Yeah. I don't know. And then doesn't he no longer. Longer cares about and then that's when we finally see him standing on the balcony looking confident. And it ends. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Yeah, he does look confident now. And I'm kind of like, what are you. Yeah. Confident about? Because I guess because it. In his mind, he's like, I was proven right. There is all this stuff going on. [00:47:48] Speaker B: Well, I think it was more so like, yeah, he, he arrived. Okay, so when he, he solved the case. No, no. So when he, it finally arrives at. When he finds out what's actually under the silver lake, which is the hut that those people are at, and he finds out that all of these. [00:48:02] Speaker A: I don't think that was the hut. [00:48:03] Speaker B: The little. [00:48:04] Speaker A: It was the bunker where they were. [00:48:05] Speaker B: The bunker. Yeah, the thing. They were that the guy was sitting in with the three girls when he finally arrives there, Right. And he, they have this whole conversation and then he calls Sarah. Sarah, Samantha. Sarah, Sarah. He calls Sarah and she is go. She's going into the bunker with the guy. [00:48:22] Speaker A: She's already in there. [00:48:22] Speaker B: She's already in the bunker with the guy who's disappeared. She says, and I quote, well, we're. I'm stuck here, but why not just make the best of it? And in that, he looks at the la. At the Hollywood side. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah, they cut to the Hollywood and. [00:48:36] Speaker B: He goes, oh, like, yeah, now he finally understands. So he is also stuck in LA or in Hollywood, and we're in a fake world. In this fake world. Yeah, Hollywood representing, like this materialistic, you know, shallow world. Yeah, that's. That's created. And then it's in that. That he finally realized, okay, well, if instead he kind of takes like a, like a, A nihilistic stance of like, existential stance. Yeah, like an existential kind of nothing matters. Oh, well, if nothing matters, then. Then what? Then we have. Then there's no point in continuing to ask the questions. And it's then that he finally, like, starts to like, nurture his actual life. At the end. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Do you think he's nurturing it or he's just sort of like. It almost like gives him the excuse to continue to be who he is. Yeah, I don't see him like, cleaning up, taking a shower, going to find a job. [00:49:22] Speaker B: I think he is. I, I think it ends on that positive note. Like, okay, this is where now, now he's. Now he realizes that like, like this, meaning that he's been looking for. Even though he's found it, that's not going to change his life. Like, he found the meaning, but it didn't change in anything. So now he needs to live. [00:49:40] Speaker A: I don't think he realized that I, I think he was SM because he sees that the science has stay quiet. That he's like, yeah, there is a conspiracy. I am proven right. Cuz I don't see him. Sorry, go ahead. [00:49:50] Speaker C: I'm sorry. Doesn't the bird like say Hollywood? Isn't that the word that he keeps repeating? [00:49:56] Speaker A: I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I, I know that some people will say like, oh, he's clearly saying this. I, I don't know. I, I don't trust him because I. [00:50:03] Speaker C: Watched it with subtitles. [00:50:04] Speaker B: Oh, dude. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Oh, that's funny. [00:50:06] Speaker C: Said Hollywood. Okay, when the bird was like, I. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Watched it with subtitles, maybe I saw that too. And that's where I was referring to. But who knows? [00:50:12] Speaker C: But I, I thought that's why, like, because like he lives in Hollywood and the bird was kind of like going back to his brain. Like, that's why he kind of like went on the balcony and smiled because he was remembering what he had heard. And the difference at the end was after he had had sex with the old hippie lady, the way that he was acting with her was so different than the way he was acting with the other women in the movie because he was like hugging her and like kind of like stroking her face and being like very gentle and like kind. [00:50:42] Speaker A: That's true. [00:50:43] Speaker C: And I didn't see him act like that. No, he had sex with the other girl. He was kind of just very much like to himself, like not touching her, like very dismissive of her. [00:50:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:52] Speaker C: So I thought that was really interesting. Like he was already changing the way he was behaving with other people. [00:50:58] Speaker A: But I, I still, I still personally would still connect that to his, his, you know, that he's like, I, I figured it out, you know what I mean? Like that, that he's, that to him, it's like, I have solved this. I, I am men now, you know, and so, and so now he can sort of, now he could live his life sort. Yeah, but, but I, but I think because like, to me, I just can't imagine this movie having a happy ending for him because I don't think the movie likes him either that I think that the movie would sort of be like, yeah, you're smug now. And you may think that you've changed something, but you didn't address the actual problem. You know, you went down your rabbit hole and you know, I kind of. [00:51:38] Speaker C: Think you're both right. [00:51:39] Speaker A: It could be, I think it was. [00:51:41] Speaker C: Like he was Happy that he found it out, but he was also kind of happy that it really doesn't fucking matter. Like, he was like. He's like, oh, cool. I found all this out. The girl that I wanted is still gonna die. She's still in a bunker. They told me to F off. The keep silent sign was marked on his door. He can't talk about it. He did all of this for absolutely nothing. He got nothing out of it just. [00:52:03] Speaker B: To go back to his regular life. [00:52:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:04] Speaker A: He lost his apartment. [00:52:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Except for this big, you know, abstract idea that you might as well just get it together and live the best that you can in your shitty situation. There you go. Get out of my face. Have fun. Hung up the phone. Yeah, so I think he was kind of just like. [00:52:21] Speaker A: Whose phone? [00:52:22] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sorry. That was me. [00:52:24] Speaker A: Unbelievable. Phone ringing. [00:52:26] Speaker C: So unprofessional. [00:52:27] Speaker A: So unprofessional. [00:52:29] Speaker C: But I. I do think that he was kind of just like. I think everybody, like after puberty or something kind of reaches that point where they stop having existential crisis every day and they're just like, hey, I'm just. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Gonna kind of get on with it. [00:52:40] Speaker C: I'm just kind of halfway do this and just kind of live the best that I can. If not, I'm going to continue to fail in this world. Like, no one wants to go to work and deal with their, you know, their things and have to, you know, do their dishes or whatever, but you do it even though it kind of sucks, because you have to be the best that you can be. And I think he realized that. And that's what the director wants us to realize. You spent all this time watching this movie trying to figure out these codes. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Doing the same thing that he does. [00:53:08] Speaker C: And those codes led to nothing. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:10] Speaker C: This movie just kind of to let to this message, like, you get nothing out of trying to figure all of this out. Just live, you know, just do what you can. And that's. That's why I didn't hate it. [00:53:22] Speaker A: It's nice, but I. I just. I don't. [00:53:24] Speaker C: Yeah, I think. I think that's what I'm telling myself. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Right. Right. [00:53:28] Speaker C: So that I don't hate it. But I think. I think I can rationalize that. [00:53:31] Speaker A: I think so. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Because if the movie doesn't like him. Right. And this is at least. This is the stance that I took. And we're meant not to like him. And I. I didn't really like him that much. The movie itself doesn't like him. It's showing him as like, kind of you know, as what we've discussed. Then why would it reward him by giving him the meaning that he was looking for? [00:53:53] Speaker A: I, I think that that's, that's the sort of cynical ending where it's like he thinks he found the meaning, but he didn't, you know, because that's the thing. Like, I still don't see him, I don't see him actively avoiding, like, how do I put it? He's just so empathetic, you know what I mean? And, and, and, and just kind of just too many things. I, I just, I just, I don't think he's rewarded. I, I think that he has a false sense of, of winning. I don't think he won anything. And, and I think, I think he's still in his ignorance. I, I, I don't, I don't see enough of him. It's true. I think it's a very good point that I kind of though at that point I was a little bit tired and I kind of was like, why is he sleeping with the hippie woman? And it reminds me of a book, I recall Norwegian Wood that kind of had the same kind of thing. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Oh, is that the, by, by Ryu Murakami? [00:54:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's that sort of book. Did you, Yeah, I can see why, Yeah, I can see why I loved it for some reason. But I, I think if I read it now, I'd be like, why did I love this? It's a dark book. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:53] Speaker A: A lot of suicide. Yeah. And so I kind of missed like I saw it, but I didn't make note of it like that he was being more tender with her, but there's still just something creepy and wrong about him. And, and then even at the end when he's standing on that, on that balcony, it's honestly, it feels to me like there's two different things going on. There's him sort of proud of himself and being like, I figured something out and there's the movie kind of looking at him going, he's still a creep. You know, he's still, he, he hasn't actually changed. [00:55:20] Speaker B: And then, so then what, what? That's kind of what makes our opinions, I think on the movie different is how you take that, that last movie. Because the movie builds up how you take that last point. Cuz the movie builds up all these threads just to not fulfill them and only fulfills like that final thing. And how you take that final thing is how you take the whole movie. I took it from a point that's like, okay, well, he now is sleeping with the hippie lady. Being tender. Realize that. That, like what I said earlier, I'm not gonna restate my whole point that, you know, he. There is no answer, and you just have to accept that and make the best. I think he realized that because. Because of the fact that when he asks the thing about the parrot and she says, I don't know, he doesn't continue to inquire. He just takes it and goes, okay, okay. And then we see him looking at the. At the thing that says, keep quiet. So that's how I took it. And that's why I. I, like, really like the movie in general. Like, because of that ending and amongst other things. But, yeah, that's just my. [00:56:21] Speaker C: I kind of like that because it. Like, that's kind of how I. I want to see it or how I'm choosing to see it is that he's not a. He's not a better person. But at least we see him taking that one tiny step forward into maybe trying to be better, which is all we can really ask from humanity is that you're trying to be better. Which is why I. I wasn't upset going on that journey with him. Like, I think you're right. The way that I see this ending is how I'm taking him as a character and the whole movie. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:55] Speaker C: If I. [00:56:56] Speaker A: And also how you want it to. [00:56:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And how I want it to. Like, if I. If I was gonna see it from your perspective. [00:57:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the same for me. [00:57:02] Speaker C: I'd probably hate the movie because I'd be like, okay, I went on this whole journey with you, you, and you're still an. [00:57:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:07] Speaker A: So, like, spoiler alert. I didn't hate the movie. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Oh, you didn't? [00:57:12] Speaker A: No, not at all. Actually, I quite enjoyed it. [00:57:14] Speaker C: Didn't come across. [00:57:15] Speaker A: I know. I'd like to do this. You can ask, why do this? I'm an. I mean, you. Alex was real. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was. Again, it was just too close to. To the other movie. No, I didn't hate it. I actually enjoyed the journey. It reminded me a lot of Mulholland Drive. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Nice. [00:57:29] Speaker A: I like Mulholland Drive much more. I think the. The weirdnesses of it were more enticing and more entertaining to watch. But. But there was something. I still hated Andrew Garfield's performance and his character. And again, I'm okay with hating the character. I'm not okay with hating the performance. And I thought it was pretty clever because my whole thing was, like, I watched Lost every episode you know, as it was happening and I kept telling myself, I was like, don't expect anything in the end. And then somehow when it got to the end, I was still furious when it didn't answer like 90% of the question. And so I've grown since then. I thought I was growing then. Yeah. And, and I, I really was, I was curious. I was like, you know, because if you, if you answer all the questions, we're not going to be satisfied and if you don't answer, we're not going to be satisfied. So I was going like, how are they going to end this in a way that could be interesting to us? And, and I thought it was, it was cool that he does give us a one big answer that does kind of, if you want to just focus on that, like, oh, he wants to know where the girl went. We find out, out. But then there's all this other, that like we're not the owls, the, the dog killer. All these things are not going to be explained to us. The codes, the things that apparently seem to be there. All these things he doesn't answer. And I think it's a nice kind of balance of like, I'm going to give you a little something, you know, and. But I'm also going to withhold. So there still is this mystery and I thought that was pretty smart. [00:58:51] Speaker B: In the note of Mulholland. Mulholland Drive. I hate to, to call things Lynchian because that's like the people that say, oh yeah, this is so. This is so Kafka esque. It kind of, of insists on itself. Like when you say that it's Hitchcock meets Lynch. Yeah, right. I felt like it was very Lynch. Especially the underground though. Like the underground of this LA that he's just uncovering. I felt like that was. But yeah, there is a lot of Hitchcock and I, I remember alluding to Rear Window like with the. [00:59:19] Speaker A: To. To see. Yeah, yeah, it's. I thought it was going to be the whole movie when you. [00:59:22] Speaker B: No, no, no, but like his character. [00:59:25] Speaker A: Rear Window poster in his apartment, like. [00:59:28] Speaker B: And the Kurt Cobain above his bed and he's like, yeah, it's signed by his daughter. [00:59:34] Speaker A: And, and then should we even. I don't know if we want. I, I'm too tired, I think, to even discuss the. When he meets the songwriter. [00:59:41] Speaker B: Oh no. The guy that pretty much tells. [00:59:43] Speaker A: That's something that doesn't connect to anything else necessarily. As far as an answer you can get. I don't know. It's a good scene. Yeah, it is a Good scene. [00:59:51] Speaker C: His head in. I. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Beautiful. A beautiful moment. [00:59:54] Speaker C: I was already like, like, like sleepy when I was watching it. So like I saw it like out of my peripheral and I went like in the middle of the movie and it was just like in my face. Oh my God. [01:00:08] Speaker A: I don't know why it was less disturbing to me than. Than dragged across. [01:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Like, I don't know. Like, it was because it was just so ludicrous and like so theatrical. And it's also like it. It again, to me that seems like that was a delusional fantasy. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Sequence. I didn't, you know, like. But the fact I just. That he used Kurt Cobain's guitar to do it, you know, was kind of interesting. [01:00:29] Speaker B: What else? There. [01:00:30] Speaker A: There's something I. I do want to mention. Yeah. And it was a part where I definitely said, you, Alex, for real was when he beats up the. The singer in the bathroom and they. And they cut to his turd in the toilet. [01:00:43] Speaker B: To Jesus. [01:00:45] Speaker A: Jesus. [01:00:45] Speaker B: Right, that guy. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. From the bay. Why did I have to see his turd? Like, what the was it? And I. I'm not kidding. If you look at my Google search right now, there is under the Silver Lake. Why? Why close up on poop. [01:01:00] Speaker B: What did you get? [01:01:01] Speaker A: Not much. One, I believe the. That the three name director said that it was an inside joke based on. It follows that that they have an overhead shot that they. That came in the cinematographer. So we're like this such a beautiful shot. [01:01:14] Speaker B: Shot. Yeah. [01:01:15] Speaker A: They're like, oh, let's do it with the turd. But there was some yellow stuff in the turd. 1. 1. [01:01:21] Speaker B: I didn't look at it that closely, bro. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Neither did I. There was a part of me that was like that wants to rewind. Yeah. Just. No, just to see what it was. And I was like, Paul, you're not rewinding it to see Kaka. You know, like, I'm not doing it, but like it looked kind of gold, like, to me. [01:01:37] Speaker B: Oh. [01:01:37] Speaker A: And so one person, one, like there were Reddit threads and one person was like. He's like, oh, no, it's. He ate a lot of corn. [01:01:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:46] Speaker A: I was like, no, come on. No, another person thought it was gold. And. And I thought so too, because there is a scene. I'm not going to lie and say that I saw the whole movie, but the Jud Ruski movie, the Holy Mountain. [01:01:57] Speaker B: Oh, I've never seen it, but I'm familiar. [01:01:59] Speaker A: There's a guy who poops gold in it. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Oh, is it? [01:02:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And it just Reminded me of that. And like since he is making references to movies, it probably could have been. [01:02:04] Speaker B: That I've heard the last like the sequence when they're. When he arrives at the little place where they're all. Where they all are. Like the, the guy with the three girls. Yeah, that. That's like un. Influenced by Holy Mountain also. Yeah, that like set up there and. [01:02:18] Speaker A: Then I'm going to. This is so like self aggrandizing. But like you know when he first finds the bunker, when the king of the homeless men. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Oh, dude. [01:02:25] Speaker A: So King of the Unhoused. Yeah, when he takes her to. Takes him to the bunker. It was. Okay. This was really weird and I can't prove it to anybody. You just have to trust me that, that this happened as I'm. It's not as, not as magical as that sounds. It's just like as I'm watching it, he's sitting on the bed and I suddenly had this flash of like the end of 2001. I was like. I was like, this reminds me of 2001. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Like when he's in the white room in Space Odyssey. Like when. [01:02:49] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And. And then apparently if IMDb is to be trusted, they said that was the same set that they used for, for, for the ending of 2001. So I was like. I was like, that's interesting. They kind of had that callback to me like that I immediately was like, it looked familiar. Yeah. But it's just like I, I didn't trust myself cuz like everything reminds me of 2001. I was like, that's 2000. [01:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:10] Speaker A: You know, so. [01:03:11] Speaker B: Which by the way, just one final thing I want to add. The fact that like the homeless people are like the eyes on the street. Unhoused. Unhoused. Or like suggests that like they were like. [01:03:27] Speaker A: It was done to them. [01:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it was done to them. Homeless. [01:03:29] Speaker A: It's not necessarily true. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Because some homeless people are like like being homeless. But it's true. [01:03:36] Speaker C: I wanted to be homeless when I was little. I wanted to be homeless. [01:03:38] Speaker B: That doesn't surprise me. [01:03:41] Speaker A: Perfect response. [01:03:44] Speaker B: The fact that the homeless people are like the eyes on the street for like these, these people that are like putting out like all this information, like they're like like guiding people towards the. The meaning like the homeless king. I don't know, I just thought it was good. [01:03:57] Speaker C: And then that one like tiny monologue where Andrew Garfield was just like, you know what? I hate them. [01:04:04] Speaker B: But I feel like that's how everybody in LA feels. [01:04:07] Speaker C: He was like, I Know we're supposed to feel bad for them, but like, screw all these homeless people. I was like, all right, go off. [01:04:11] Speaker A: One of the reviews I read said that that was again, supposed to illustrate just what a loathsome character he was that he would go on. Because even the girl that he's with is just kind of like, okay, how. [01:04:21] Speaker C: Do you really feel next time? Then I thought it was just funny because I'm like, the homeless person was asking for money and I can imagine in his head he's like, give me money. [01:04:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to be homeless in a few hours. [01:04:34] Speaker B: The hell? I accidentally just stumbled across, like Riley Keo's thing. Turns out she's the granddaughter of Elvis and Priscilla Presley. [01:04:42] Speaker C: H what? [01:04:43] Speaker B: Nepo baby. [01:04:45] Speaker A: No, but she's talented. [01:04:46] Speaker B: Yeah, she is talented, but that. I would never have expected that she's Elvis's granddaughter. [01:04:50] Speaker A: I don't think I realized that. Or if I. Yeah, I would feel like I would remember that. [01:04:53] Speaker B: Trivia. The scenes with Sarah in the swimming pool are almost exactly recreations of scenes from Marilyn Monroe's last film. [01:04:59] Speaker A: I did actually realize that as I was watching it. More self aggrandizing. [01:05:03] Speaker B: Your movie knowledge amazes me. [01:05:04] Speaker A: I'm glad. I'm glad that was the whole purpose of this. Oh, in my notes, the music at the beginning, I was like, man, this music is overbearing. And then like later in the movie, I'm like, excuse me, hold on one second. Okay. It's much better dying. It's still there. Hold on. Then like later, my notes are actually. They changed to actually, I do like the soundtrack now. Very Spike Lee. Oh, did we notice Sydney Sweeney? Obviously we noticed Sydney Sweeney in the movie. Yeah, Yeah. [01:05:41] Speaker B: I didn't know she's one of the. Yeah. What's up with Sydney Sweeney being in movies that like, involve cults? Like, she was one of the many dancing girls. [01:05:53] Speaker A: Oh, was she Once upon a time. Once upon a time, yeah. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Her. Mikey Madison. Maybe she is. Maybe she's in. [01:05:59] Speaker A: She's in the cult. [01:06:00] Speaker B: She's under the silver lane, maybe. [01:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead. [01:06:03] Speaker B: Oh, sorry. One more. [01:06:05] Speaker A: What is this voice? [01:06:06] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. It sounds like you have like a. Something like that mid credits. A cryptogram can be seen on screen with a large question mark and at the bottom, right in the corner, it says B E B W J E. Like a just a random. Yeah. Thing of letters. And apparently once translated equals to a David Robert Mitchell film. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's sometimes like when I was watching a movie, I was like, I Was like, no, I'm not following you. Sorry. I'm just not gonna do it like that. That article I found was interesting, where I was like, cool, you know, But I was just like, no. Because it was like, you have to see it again to get all the codes. I was like, I'm fine. Yeah. I don't need. [01:06:42] Speaker B: Somebody else could tell me what they mean. [01:06:43] Speaker A: Okay, I'm gonna go. Let me check. These were my notes in the movie. I like this one. A lot of titties in the first few minutes. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Oh, there is a guy. There was a scene with the guy goes, yeah, it's as common as burgers and tits. And I was like, that's so good. [01:07:00] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Oh, my other note is butt fixation. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Yep. [01:07:06] Speaker A: But he's kind of butt fixation. What was in his. That's my other question. Songwriter. Wtf? Question mark. Oh, yeah, I wrote it down. I'm here. Might as well make the best of it. Cut to Hollywood sign. [01:07:19] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I was more interested what was in this. I love the music, actually. That's what I was saying. Like, the soundtrack's really good. [01:07:27] Speaker B: It is. [01:07:27] Speaker A: Like, it's very. You know, that is like that. That noir detective soundtrack, you know, so it worked really well. And I think especially after Dragged Across Concrete, where there is no soundtrack. [01:07:38] Speaker B: I mean, yes, there was. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Okay. Some crappy soul songs. Not. That's not a soundtrack. [01:07:45] Speaker B: I wouldn't say they were crappy. [01:07:47] Speaker A: I. I would. I would. [01:07:48] Speaker C: I actually have a question of something I missed. [01:07:50] Speaker B: Yeah, the. [01:07:51] Speaker A: I have an answer. [01:07:52] Speaker C: The movie that the. The mom had recommended, she was talking about this actress that she, like, loved. And then it kept referencing her. [01:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:00] Speaker C: Like, it referenced her. Her grave. And then. [01:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah. He wakes up at the. [01:08:04] Speaker C: And then, like, a painting that, like, she did. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:07] Speaker C: I could not figure out why they kept referencing this woman. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Me neither. [01:08:11] Speaker C: What was the importance behind that? [01:08:13] Speaker A: I don't know. I. She. And she's also like. Because, like, I'm kind of proud of my. My decent knowledge of. Of classic Hollywood. But she's like, before even that era, because she was, like, a silent film star. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:21] Speaker A: So, like, I can't say I know much about her or even what she looked like or what movies she was in, because I. I don't watch Me. [01:08:28] Speaker B: I think it's just another one of those setups where they, like, set something up to make you think that there's something going on and then there really isn't. [01:08:34] Speaker A: That's what I'm thinking. [01:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. [01:08:35] Speaker A: Or again, I think there is something to it in his mind. I just. I just don't think what we're going to find will like, unlock the movie, you know, and it's the same like with Mulholland Drive where it's like when people are like, what's it all about? And I was like, I don't think it really matters. It to a certain degree of like, understanding every single thing. It's like, do you want. Do you feel the emotions? Do you kind of connect to it? That's what matters. And also, what was in his. That was. That was really important to me. Corn or gold? [01:09:01] Speaker B: And also the movie band name. Corn and what? [01:09:05] Speaker A: Corn or gold. [01:09:06] Speaker B: Corn or gold. [01:09:07] Speaker A: It's a mouthful. It's a mouthful. Disgusting. Come on. [01:09:13] Speaker C: What is this? [01:09:15] Speaker A: The best podcast ever? That's what this is. [01:09:19] Speaker B: And he also. Oh, I just wanted to say I love the what's the frequency Kind of sequence where he's dancing. [01:09:25] Speaker A: That was good in the place with the. Yeah, yeah, A lot of good sequences. Not as strong as. Oh, how about when he was walking home? He was really paranoid and those creepy people that were standing with like, you know, Frozen. Yeah, you slept through that part. Ask German about it, he'll tell you about it. Okay, so I think there's nothing else to do but sort of wrap up. [01:09:45] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:46] Speaker A: We will go around the table. Table. And how many pauls out of four. [01:09:50] Speaker B: Did you give it? You asked me first. I give it three and three quarters. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Okay. What's left out? [01:10:02] Speaker B: The head. Oh, I feel pulp. I feel the paws up this way. Not this. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Oh, so there's only like a one third of your face. Yeah, it's only like. [01:10:16] Speaker A: We all got concerned. We all got concerned. [01:10:17] Speaker B: It's only like from like the outside of your eye. The outside of your eye. [01:10:20] Speaker A: That's what's missing. [01:10:21] Speaker B: Your ear. Yeah, that's what's missing. [01:10:22] Speaker A: Excellent. Okay. Three and three quarters. [01:10:25] Speaker B: Three and three quarters. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:26] Speaker C: Okay. [01:10:27] Speaker A: Stefania. [01:10:28] Speaker C: Two out of four pauls. I liked it. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Two would mean that you're kind of more like. It's okay. [01:10:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Is that fair? [01:10:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's okay. [01:10:37] Speaker A: Two and a half pauls, maybe. [01:10:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd give it two and a half pauls because it was. It was okay. I probably wouldn't watch it again, just. [01:10:45] Speaker A: No. Fuck, no. [01:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:46] Speaker A: No. Can't believe Alex watched it again. [01:10:48] Speaker C: It felt a bit like a fever dream to me. Especially because I was sleepy watching it. Like, I would like, God, is The. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Best way to watch it. [01:10:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I was, like, in and out of consciousness at times, and I was just like, what the hell kind of like, trip am I on right now? [01:11:02] Speaker A: I was fully awake, and I had the same question. Actually, no, I did fall asleep. I'm not lying. I'm lying. I got sleepy. And the part where the homeless king was walking him to the bunker. [01:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:14] Speaker A: I kind of knocked out, and I like. And I woke up and I was like, no, Paul, you have to rewind it now. So I had to. So I rewinded and watched them, and nothing happened. Really? No. Well. But I put a note on it. Like, I just thought it's funny that the homeless king. This guy with the crown. [01:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:27] Speaker A: And his. And this guy walking blindfolded. They're just walking through parks, like, down the street. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. [01:11:35] Speaker C: There's just a coyote rummaging through garbage. [01:11:37] Speaker A: That's right. And the coyote. Oh, my gosh. There's many. So many little things in the movie. But I. I'm good. I'm good. So I give it three out of four, Paul. It was not a bad recommendation at all. I still stand by all my. You, Alex. If I had the chance, I would have done. I wanted to actually do a whole page of just, like, eight sound effects of me, like, different ways saying, you, Alex, and then, like, have soul. Be like, one of the last ones. [01:12:03] Speaker B: You can. You can just add it to the edit. Yeah. When you. When we edit this. [01:12:07] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. It's just what I wanted. Your reaction as you hear it, and you're like, what's with this question guy? Yeah. Three out of four for me. I would say you should watch it at least once. Yeah. I'm glad he's making more movies. I'm. I'm. I think he is a talented dude, and I would like to see more work from him. Should we. I feel like we're missing. No, we're not missing something. It is time. Oh, we have to call Jessica. What time is it? We cannot. It's 502. She's not here anymore. [01:12:30] Speaker B: Yeah, let's just. [01:12:31] Speaker C: It's 502. [01:12:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I kind of. Yeah, let's. Let's wrap this up here. [01:12:35] Speaker A: Who's doing the bull? [01:12:36] Speaker B: Oh, you're leaving right now. [01:12:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:12:38] Speaker A: We can do the bowl. And we're just gonna say, like, watch this or not. [01:12:40] Speaker B: You want me to bowl? Should I bowl? Yeah, you want to? [01:12:42] Speaker A: Boo. I don't know if Alex should bowl. [01:12:44] Speaker B: I won't be. There's no more of my movies. In here. [01:12:47] Speaker A: There must be one more. [01:12:49] Speaker B: You put one head to one guy, that's it. Oh, all right. [01:12:54] Speaker A: Oh, you drop one. [01:12:56] Speaker B: Can you put it back in? [01:12:57] Speaker A: Yep. [01:12:59] Speaker B: All right, ready? Three, two, one. [01:13:07] Speaker A: The suspense is killing me. [01:13:08] Speaker B: I think it's one of German's movies. [01:13:12] Speaker A: Sorry, German. I'm just not in the movie. [01:13:14] Speaker B: Burning 2018. [01:13:17] Speaker A: I was hoping it was not that one. [01:13:18] Speaker B: Dude, that's three 2018 movies in a row. [01:13:20] Speaker A: I know. Oh, and it's three because remember the number three cups coming up in the movie? [01:13:25] Speaker B: Subliminal Message? [01:13:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. And then I had to clock in today at 3:11. The greatest band all time. Time 311. Yeah. [01:13:33] Speaker B: They're not the greatest band. [01:13:34] Speaker A: Not at all. Not even close. [01:13:35] Speaker B: They do have that one good album. [01:13:37] Speaker A: They have a good song. [01:13:37] Speaker C: I get the feeling like this one is going to be another messed up movie. [01:13:41] Speaker A: I believe it is. I think it's also supposed to be. [01:13:43] Speaker C: Very cryptic and veto for another movie since it's Germans. [01:13:48] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:48] Speaker C: I need. I need a. Wow. [01:13:50] Speaker B: You're vetoing. Oh, wow. Okay. [01:13:52] Speaker A: Because you said it, I'm. I feel better about it. [01:13:54] Speaker C: We can put it back in for. [01:13:55] Speaker A: No, it'll go back in. You know, I'm sorry, German. What happened is, is we watched two heavy movies in a row and I cannot take it. [01:14:01] Speaker B: I was excited to watch your movie. [01:14:03] Speaker A: But I want to watch it too, just not right now. [01:14:05] Speaker C: To not kill myself. [01:14:06] Speaker A: I think all we put in there are kill ourselves movies. [01:14:10] Speaker B: The lure 2015. Is this a Jessica movie? [01:14:12] Speaker C: Oh, no, that's one of mine. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Oh. [01:14:14] Speaker A: Oh. What is that? [01:14:15] Speaker C: It's like a girly pop horror movie about, like, a mermaid. [01:14:19] Speaker A: All right. [01:14:19] Speaker B: We have to watch it. [01:14:22] Speaker C: We could go back to Germans if you really don't want to see that one. [01:14:25] Speaker A: We're going to watch the lure. [01:14:26] Speaker B: All right. We're going to watch. [01:14:27] Speaker A: Wait, can I. Can I go? You have to go. I can't Google it. [01:14:30] Speaker C: I'm fine. [01:14:31] Speaker B: The ball is spoken. We have to watch it. All right, German, I'm putting your movie back in the bowl. Till next time. [01:14:38] Speaker A: Lure. [01:14:39] Speaker C: All of mine are, like, very girly movies, okay? [01:14:41] Speaker A: It's just that you pick them because, like, you're like, oh, the COVID looks interesting. [01:14:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Girly movie. [01:14:48] Speaker A: I have spelled the liar the loot because my fat thumbs cannot type on this small keyboard. The lure. Here we go. 2015 musical horror. You fucking monster. Fuck. Two married sisters, huh? To each other. That's gross. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Two mermaid sisters. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Oh. [01:15:06] Speaker B: Two mermaids become caught in a love triangle when they fall for the same man. What the. [01:15:12] Speaker A: What the. [01:15:14] Speaker B: By. I'm not even gonna pronounce. Pronounce his name. A Polish film writer. [01:15:18] Speaker A: Oh, it's Polish. [01:15:20] Speaker C: I'm gonna submit. [01:15:21] Speaker A: Do they screw in slight bulbs the whole movie? I apologize to all polls you guys. [01:15:28] Speaker C: To my movies. [01:15:29] Speaker A: You're a monster. Do I have. I don't have to pay for this? Be to what? Where Do Max. Where to watch Max, which is going back to being called hbo. Max. Did you hear? [01:15:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I heard. I like it. [01:15:37] Speaker A: What the. [01:15:37] Speaker B: I never stopped calling it hbo. [01:15:39] Speaker A: I know. Nobody. Yeah, I think I just started calling it Max and, like, I need to bring it back. Oh, but I still have your account signed into my. Yeah, you can use. [01:15:44] Speaker B: I don't mind. Also, the Polish name for this movie is Corky Dancing. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Stephanie. [01:15:57] Speaker B: Stephanie, Corky Dancing. [01:15:59] Speaker A: You know what's gonna happen next episode? Stephanie, You, Stephanie. That's gonna be. [01:16:03] Speaker C: Make the button. [01:16:04] Speaker A: Corky Dancingu Each of us gets one. [01:16:07] Speaker B: All right. [01:16:08] Speaker A: Each of us gets one. Yeah, actually a whole page of it, you know. [01:16:12] Speaker C: Okay, now I gotta start getting ready to go. [01:16:14] Speaker A: Okay. [01:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:16:15] Speaker A: All right. So on three, we're gonna say, watch this. And depending how we say it. What did you know, it's kind of redundant since we gave it. Start ours. [01:16:24] Speaker B: Should we have to. Yeah, it doesn't matter. We gave it balls. See, the bowl tells us first to watch it, and then we tell them to watch it. [01:16:31] Speaker A: Okay, Fair? Yeah. The bow has spoken. On three. Hold on. I have to think of it now. What do I. How am I going to do? Watch this. [01:16:38] Speaker C: Okay, watch this Irish accent. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Now. Watch this. No. Yeah. All right. Three, two, one. [01:16:46] Speaker B: What? I don't know. Whatever. [01:16:50] Speaker C: You guys go Italian. [01:16:51] Speaker B: I don't know what I did. [01:16:52] Speaker A: That was Italian. That was my best Irish. That's terrible. [01:16:55] Speaker C: You in Italian? A little bit. You like watch this. [01:16:58] Speaker B: I don't know anymore. [01:17:00] Speaker A: And I don't have time to. To queue up. What's the frequency? Just go. An frequency can. [01:17:06] Speaker B: All right. [01:17:07] Speaker A: Wait, what's the next line? [01:17:09] Speaker B: Nobody knows. [01:17:12] Speaker A: Bye. [01:17:14] Speaker B: Alex. [01:17:14] Speaker A: Bye. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Bye. [01:17:16] Speaker A: Thank.