Episode 14 - The NeverEnding Story

[00:00:12] Speaker A: All righty righty. Welcome, everybody. To watch this, I'm your host, Paul Klein. Sitting to my left. I said two, so I have to go with Alex first. Sitting to my left is our host, Alex Bello. Sitting in front of me is our host, Stephanie Caplano. So I started this podcast with. What was that song? I know you probably saw my phone just now. [00:00:39] Speaker B: I saw the phone. I didn't know what it was before, so I'm not gonna lie and say that I knew, but it was funky. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Have you heard that song before? [00:00:45] Speaker B: Never before. [00:00:46] Speaker A: It has 81 million streams. [00:00:47] Speaker B: Fantastic. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Do you know who that was? [00:00:49] Speaker C: No. [00:00:50] Speaker A: That was Kajagugu. Why am I playing Kaja Goo today? [00:00:53] Speaker B: Don't tell me. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Oh, are we gonna get sued for that? [00:00:58] Speaker B: Kaja Gugu. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Terrible name for a band. [00:01:01] Speaker B: I have no idea. Paul, why don't you tell us why you're so. [00:01:04] Speaker A: We're talking about the Neverending Story today. True. And it has a famous theme song. Do you want to sing it? [00:01:09] Speaker B: Alex, can you remind me of the lyrics? [00:01:12] Speaker A: Never Ending Story. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we should harmonize. Okay. 3, 2, 1. Never Ending Story, [00:01:21] Speaker A: a song by Limal L I M A H L. Who is the lead singer of Kajagugu. Oh, so that's why I played you the most famous song. Too Shy. As I said, we're talking about Never Ending Story, 1984, directed by Wolfgang Peterson. [00:01:39] Speaker B: Do you say it in, like, a German accent? [00:01:40] Speaker A: Yes, of course. Directed by Wolfgang Peterson. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:01:43] Speaker C: That's very nice. [00:01:44] Speaker A: Thank you. Do we know here who Wolfgang Peterson is? [00:01:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I knew who Wolfgang Peterson was before. [00:01:50] Speaker A: It's pretty famous. [00:01:51] Speaker B: He's pretty famous. And. But, yeah, Stephanie, I did not. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I want to say, like, didn't disprise me. I'm not saying that as, like, rudeness. I'm just like. Because I know, you know, you're not. [00:02:01] Speaker C: I'm here to represent the people, Paul. [00:02:03] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Yes, the plebeians. Wolfgang Peterson, he started his career with. With Dasport the Boat, which was his epic World War II submarine movie. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:17] Speaker A: A funny thing I want to mention about that one. It was filmed at the same time as Raiders of the Lost Ark. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:22] Speaker A: And there's a scene where a submarine shows up. It's kind of like a pivotal moment where it gets Indiana Jones from one area to another towards the end of the movie. And Steven Spielberg is friends with Wolfgang Peterson, and so he asked to borrow the submarine from the movie to use for those couple shots. And Wolfgang Peterson afterwards was like, I am never Doing that again because they got the thing back. Like, everything was broken. Like, nothing worked. They're like, we still have to film. He also had, like, a big resurgence in the 90s, you know, like, he did in the Line of Fire, which was, like, one of the top grossing movies for Clint Eastwood. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:00] Speaker A: He did Air Force One with Harrison Ford. Like. Like a lot of, like, these straight up genre movies, you know, and he did Troy in the 2000s. I think that was his last movie. [00:03:11] Speaker B: That's what I know him from. From Troy was. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah, from Troy. And I feel like I'm missing, like, a big one. But, like. Yeah, I mean, he. He had a varied career. He has passed since rip, but. Yeah, so he was the director for Never Ending Story, which is based on a book called the Un Entli Higgish. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Wow, that's cool. [00:03:31] Speaker C: Which sounded impressive. [00:03:32] Speaker A: It does. You know what? It translates into the never ending. The Never Ending Story. It's a perfect translation written by. And I could say his name, like, English. I could say Michael Ende, but that doesn't feel right to me. So his name is Michael. Michael Endeavor. [00:03:45] Speaker B: Is he. What is he? What is his ethnicity? Is he nationality? He's German. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah, he's German. Yeah. [00:03:50] Speaker B: I didn't know Michelle was. [00:03:51] Speaker A: No, no, no. I just said Michelle, Michael. Michael. Yeah, you would say Michelle. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just Michael, you're just. You're just pronouncing it as you read it. Michael. [00:04:02] Speaker B: I like that. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Michelle End. And end, of course, means end. So, yeah, Michael, End. [00:04:08] Speaker B: Badass. [00:04:09] Speaker A: I was gonna, like, call myself. Like, I'm thinking I'm gonna call myself Pavel Anfang. Beginning. [00:04:17] Speaker B: You know what's. What's funny is that his name is End, but the story never ends. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Story doesn't end. So we. We watched the movie here yesterday. Altogether, I think our reactions were not very positive. I mean, Alejandro over here, like, put his head down to go to sleep at one point, and then he did that thing where, like, he stood up before the movie was over, as if he was going to leave. And I was like, bro, movie's not over. Sit down. And so I kind of feel like I want to explain why I picked this movie, because I think a lot of times we might have the impression that we're picking these movies because we're like, hey, this movie's good, and I want you to see it like I did. I have. I saw this movie when I was seven years old. [00:04:57] Speaker C: I was gonna ask how old you were. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it came out no I saw it in theaters in Germany because it was a big deal. So okay, here's the whole thing. Here's the whole thing about it. Like, what happened was my brothers read the book. The, they loved the book. The movie came out, they went to see it and they're like, it's Kaka. So I saw the movie because I'm seven years old, right? So I'm not like, I don't really have my own opinions yet. Like, you're still forming them, you know, like, my only opinion is like, I love Disney and I want to watch Snow White. So I always saw this movie under that lens of my brother saying, well, it's not good because it's not like the book. And then I haven't seen the movie in completion since then. And I was like, you know what? Like, and I'm now, especially now that I've just turned 48, I've kind of, I'm in that era where like I'm rewatching movies, especially ones that I didn't like to see if I've changed to see, you know, like what my reaction is now. And so I was like, I'd like to watch it again and see if I feel differently about it. And what's interesting also is that I think there was around that time my mom and my dad went on a two week vacation to Australia for a week and then to Japan for a week. Family friends were, stayed with us in the house and were cooking for us and watching, watching us. But my mom as like consolation, like got us like a bunch of like presents before she left so we would have things to entertain ourselves. And she got us like this never ending story activity book and like behind the scenes and all this stuff. So like a lot of these images are still sealed in my brain from when I saw it set, when I saw it as a seven year old. So a lot of the images are stuck in my head. So when I was watching it now I was like, I remember that. I remember that, like it all kind of was just like there. Which is kind of impressive that I mean even, you know, a movie that I saw in 1984, it still kind of sticks with me. But I just wanted to watch it again to see how I actually felt watching it through eyes now. And I think my response is, yeah, it still sucks. I don't think it's very good. [00:07:01] Speaker C: I watched it as a kid because my mom watched it when she was younger and she loved it. Yeah, like she loved that movie. She loved the Dark Crystal. Like she was super into, like, all those types of movies. So she forced me to watch it. And I was a little traumatized by it as a kid. I don't know why. I think I might have been a little too young when I first saw it. [00:07:24] Speaker A: How old were you? [00:07:25] Speaker C: I. I really don't remember. I was probably. I was probably maybe like seven. But I wasn't. I wasn't used to movies that were dark. It was a little too dark. [00:07:37] Speaker A: I mean, it's. Yeah, it has. Yeah. [00:07:39] Speaker C: Like, I was very used to, like, watching Cinderella and Strawberry Shortcake over and over and over again. Like, I watched that movie and, like, saw, like, all of these depressing things happen. And I think I was like, I don't like this at all. Why would you do this to me? And I had never watched it since. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:57] Speaker C: This is the first time I've watched it. [00:07:59] Speaker A: We still traumatized? [00:08:00] Speaker C: No. [00:08:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:01] Speaker C: But I still found the characters just as creepy as I did when I was a kid, because that was burned into my brain. Like, these characters are a little creepy, and I don't like the way that they look. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Creepy looking or creepy acting? [00:08:14] Speaker C: Kind of both. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. I want to. I want to dig into that as we kind of go along with that [00:08:21] Speaker C: was my initial opinion. Opinion. [00:08:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:23] Speaker B: Alejandro, I have something to reveal. So Stephanie's looking at me like I'm about to tell that I murdered someone. No. So actually, yesterday, watching the movie was a pretty shitty experience, as I think you guys could tell by my body language. [00:08:39] Speaker A: No, not at all. [00:08:40] Speaker B: To be fair, I was very tired. I was like, kind of falling asleep. And I think as we've. As we've alluded to, the movie feels [00:08:45] Speaker A: never ending strangely for an hour and 34 minute movie. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it was the longest hour and 34 minutes of my life. However, I don't hate it as much as my tired body language. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Oh, this will be interesting. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Made it out to be. And the more I thought about it. Yesterday, while I was running errands after work and then at the gym, I was thinking about it. And the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. And I have my reasons. [00:09:09] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Which I'd like to share and dig into soon, but let's see if anybody else has somewhere they want to take this first. [00:09:16] Speaker A: No, I think let's just jump right into it. We have gotten the reasons as to, you know, sort of why we're watching it. We kind of got an initial reaction. So should we set up the story or as far as, you know. So, I mean, it is a Kid oriented fantasy film. As we said, it's based on the book. It's a fantasy story about stories about storytelling. Yeah, I think that's fair. It's fair to say imagination. Yeah, yeah, Imagination and those kind of things. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Little kid who's going through the loss of his mother finds a book that helps him, you know, keep his imagination alive. [00:09:52] Speaker C: Or dirt bag father wants him to keep his feet on the ground. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Father who talks to him like he's like an associate at, like, J.P. morgan or something. [00:09:59] Speaker C: He's like 8 years old. He's like, hey, you need to keep your feet on the ground, buddy. Good talk. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Get your head out of the clouds. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Played by the great Gerald McCraney from Simon and Simon and had a sitcom called Major dad in the early 90s. So, yeah, when I saw him, I was like, Gerald McCraney is in this. And it's like one scene. I mean, I think the. What they're sort of trying to say is that, like, he's also traumatized by the death of his wife and he doesn't know how to connect with his son. And so he sort of speaks to him. Yeah. Like a business person, you know? And so, of course, he needs some escape. What's. I think what's kind of the hook of the story is that as he's reading this book, we're seeing the story that he's reading being sort of projected for us. And what happens is that as he's reading the story, he starts getting these hints that the characters in the book are aware that he's reading them. I love that sentence, you know, and he's. They're making, like, references to that. There's a person watching us, there's a person reading us. And he's like, the fuck is going on here? And that's basically it. So the. The hero journey that we're watching is the character of Atreyu, who is a child, also. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Also apparently a Native American. [00:11:08] Speaker A: In the book, he's actually supposed to be green. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Okay. And he hunts purple buffalo. [00:11:13] Speaker A: He hunts purple buffalo? Yeah. They said that they actually, behind the scenes that they actually tried coloring him green. And he said he looked like moss. And they were like, this is terrible. It's distracting. So they got rid of it, which I think was probably the right choice. [00:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And they wasted a great opportunity for us to see a purple buffalo at the end when he's flying. [00:11:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I agree. [00:11:30] Speaker B: To see purple also. Purple buffalo. Band name. Just saying. [00:11:33] Speaker A: I agree. 100 Purple Buffalo. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Paul and the Purple Buffaloes. [00:11:35] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:11:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:37] Speaker A: I love it. That's fantastic. And so it's a hero's journey where. I don't know how much we have to get into this, but. But basically there's a. There's a. An evil force encroaching, which is the nothing. And he has to find a way to stop it and save the Empress. Yeah. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Go read the book. If you don't. [00:11:56] Speaker A: If. [00:11:57] Speaker B: If you don't know what's happening, just go read the book. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Let's go read the book. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Read the Cliff Notes. [00:12:00] Speaker A: I'm actually gonna. Gonna even maybe start my criticisms here, where I think for a hero's journey, the way it. It's too nebulous in the movie. And what I mean by that, it's like, you know, a lot of times when it's the hero's journey, it's like, here's your hero. Here's what you have to do. You have to go on this quest to do this, right? And you have to go. Start by going here. And I think that this is sort of like the. Just. Even the way he's picked, it's just sort of like, well, we heard that he's the best warrior, so we want him to go. And then it's like, well, the nothing is encroaching and our queen, the child queen, is dying. We don't know why. There's just so many things like, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know. So it's kind of like, oh, you know, just go and find a cure for her. [00:12:42] Speaker C: I also had a problem with that because not only did they send him on this impossible journey with, like, no actual instructions, they were just kind of just go out and find a cure. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Find a cure for what? [00:12:55] Speaker C: For something. [00:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:56] Speaker C: And then on top of it, they were like, and by the way, for no reason at all, you can't take any of your weapons. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:03] Speaker C: And you have to go alone. [00:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:04] Speaker C: And I think as I was watching it, I even asked Jessica, I was like. I was like, why the hell does he have to go alone and not take any weapons? Like, you're already sending him to death. At least let him take his bow and arrow. [00:13:16] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:17] Speaker C: For real. [00:13:17] Speaker A: And he comes out with that cool, you know, thing with the. With the arrows. They had a quiver. [00:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:22] Speaker A: And. And they're like, no, you can't take that with you. I'm like, why? [00:13:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:25] Speaker A: And also, because it's a fantasy. [00:13:28] Speaker B: And also there's this fucking giant rock monster, like, it could demolish anybody. And he's just hanging around. Why don't you bring him on the journey with you and help him kick? [00:13:35] Speaker A: Help. He has to go alone. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Go alone. [00:13:37] Speaker A: But he can bring his horse. [00:13:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:39] Speaker B: And also. And then there's just like this, like, wise V guy that just speaks for the Empress. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:47] Speaker B: But then the Empress is able to speak at the end. So why didn't she come out? Whatever. You know what? [00:13:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Was it supposed to be maybe just like a reveal for us? Like, it's kind of like, like more dramatic when she's revealed at the end. Possibly. [00:13:57] Speaker C: Oh, she's also a child. Children are important in the story. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Right, Right. Well, that's. That seems cool. I mean. Okay, I'm gonna say it now. Michael Ender. Michael Ende, he was all on board when they started making this movie and he was actually part of the production and they were referring to him. He was giving them notes and this and that. As the movie started rolling and he saw what they were doing to the script, not only did he say, I don't like this, he actually sued the production to have it stopped. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Wow. [00:14:22] Speaker A: He's like, you're ruining my book. You don't understand it. You're ruining it. And he's sued to have it stopped. He lost that one. Of course you're not gonna be able to stop, you know, a gigantic movie machine. But he had his name taken off the credits, or at least the opening credits, because I think it was supposed to be his name and a never ending story. But yeah, so he basically was like. He disowned it. He's like, this is garbage. This has nothing to do with me. [00:14:44] Speaker C: That is very cool. [00:14:45] Speaker A: And that's. I mean, I am. I almost was gonna ask you guys to delay this episode because I. Because my brother has the book in German and I was gonna read it. But the thing is, my, My, my German, like, to, like, I would do it twofold, to read it in its original language and also practice my German reading. Because even though I can understand German, like, it is difficult for me to read it and to picture things in my head. But I thought this would be like a great way to. Since I sort of know some of the story, like, a good way to kind of get into it and practice it some more. We might. We might revisit this. Maybe an addendum episode. We could do like a little bit once I've actually read it and sort of compare it. So I think my complaints here are just that it's a very complex fantasy story with a lot of Complicated effects to do it live action. And in 84, even though they gave it a fucking great shot, I think. And if there's anything that I think that is. That is wonderful about this movie is the production of it, the effects and everything that they put into that. I think we'll talk a little bit more about that. With those limitations of 84, where you can't just go into a computer and say, here, make a world for me. You know, like, here I'm a talking giant. You want to have a talking rock giant? You have to fucking build him. You have to make him animatronic. He is a fantastic animatronic. I love that, that rock giant. And when he's like biting the rocks, like, it actually felt like they were big chunks of rock flying everywhere. And his expressions were fantastic and everything. And so nothing that you see on screen was easy, right? Like, everything I can sort of see, like, this is painstaking. This is gorgeous. But it's so difficult that I think what happens that they have to simplify the story. They have to simplify a lot of things around it. And it gets so simplified. I think that it sort of just is. There's no world building. This is just sort of seems like everything is being made up as they go along. Which is always the worst in fantasy stories. That's always the worst feeling where it's just like, we're just going to do it this way because we can, I think, exactly as you said, you know, like, you can go on this journey, but you can't bring your weapons. Why? Yeah, you know, oh, here's this amulet. We're not going to tell you what it does. And I still don't really know what it does, if it does anything, you know, but it looks cool. So here's your amulet and it's the [00:17:01] Speaker B: person that wears it speaks for the Empress. Whatever that means. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah, whatever that means. So. So, like a lot of these complaints I have, you know, I'm gonna get snarky. We all. That's kind of what we do here. But I think. I think we do also understand underneath it all that it's like a. It's probably not the source material. I do have to point out the book is. Is a huge, huge popular book in. In Germany, which is why my brothers read it when we lived there. And the movie was a huge hit in Germany. Like, everybody had to go see it, you know. It's still one of the most watched movies in Germany and it is a. It is a German co production, as you saw all the, all the names. [00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:35] Speaker A: It cost $27 million. Actually. Actually, it was. I forgot how many marks it was, but it translated to $27 million. And I think, to put that into context, Return of the Jedi, which came out a year before 1983, cost 32 and a half million. So it's only about 5 million less than Return of Jedi a year later. [00:17:53] Speaker B: It also looked like they filmed in Germany. I was trying to, like the beginning, I was trying to pinpoint what location, [00:17:58] Speaker A: what's the same thing. It turns out it actually was Canada. [00:18:00] Speaker B: It was Canada. I knew it wasn't the us. It didn't look like any cities in the us, but it's surprising that it was. [00:18:05] Speaker A: I thought so too. It was filmed in Germany. On the, on the sets they have the. Oh, my gosh. They have a famous, like Warner Brothers lot. Yeah. Future Paul, why don't you go ahead and edit in the name of the studio where they filmed it, because it is a famous studio that they have in Germany and they, they use all the sets in there. Yeah. Hello. This is not Future Powell. This is Hanno Kleiner and Paul's long lost Kuzan. So the studio that he's talking about is the Bavaria Film Studio, AKA Bavaria Filmstadt. That's where a never ending story was filmed. Dumkopf. And when you think about it, like, even things that may just kind of pass you by, I don't think. Well, yeah, just in general, you know, when he. When Atreyo has to go into the Swamps of Sadness. I mean, they made all those swamps. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:59] Speaker A: I felt so bad for the actor who played Atreyu because like they said, the, the scene where his horse dies alone took two weeks to film. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:19:07] Speaker A: And then you think about it and like, he's in mud. I don't care if you're making the mud yourself, it's still mud, you know. And it's two weeks just to film that one sequence. There's a long part where he talks to the turtle person, the giant turtle, which was another amazing animatronic. I mean, every time he sneezed and his eyes would go sideways, I started laughing. I was just like. The production design and the special effects are really, really top notch. And really, if you are gonna watch the movie, that probably will be the reason to watch it. [00:19:36] Speaker C: Well, to bring back up like the production value. That is something that I value so much. Like even now. And me and my partner, German, talk about it all the time. Like with Universal, the rides that I love the most. Are like, ET and like, Jurassic park, because those are the ones that are actually built. And, like, you'll look down at ET and, like, the whole city is, like, built piece by piece. [00:19:59] Speaker A: I know exactly what you mean. [00:20:00] Speaker C: You can tell the passion in the effort that they had to put in to build these sets, and that's what makes it cool. And then you look at, like, movies or, like, other rides at Universal and stuff that. [00:20:12] Speaker A: It's all I want to say. Universal, not Disney. Because I would think Disney has a [00:20:16] Speaker B: better Peter Pan ride. I always think about when you look down. [00:20:19] Speaker C: I'm not experienced in Disney. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:23] Speaker C: I've only ever been. I've only ever been once. [00:20:26] Speaker B: Guys, I started GoFundMe to send Stephanie back to Disney. One or one viewer can donate a dollar. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Jessica, send Stephanie to Disney. [00:20:37] Speaker C: But, like, like, all of these new rides and stuff that they put in, it's all digital, right? It's all screen. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:45] Speaker C: And it looks so shitty. [00:20:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:47] Speaker C: It's so much worse. And it feels so much less magical. And it's the same thing, like, with these movies. Like, you can tell the difference in the passion based on how they're doing it. It's like, I like. I like 3D animation in movies at times, but then you'll watch old Disney movies that are, like, drawn in 2D and, like, done, like, you know, set by set, and you could just feel how much better it is. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:17] Speaker A: And, like, the amount of problem solving that they have to do. [00:21:20] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, my gosh. It's so much cooler. So then you watch movies like, Never Ending Story, and it's like, yeah, it has its critiques, but at the end of the day, like, you can feel how much effort they put into building this stuff. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:33] Speaker C: And it just makes it feel that much cooler. Like, even as a kid, like, it was so scary for me because these animatronics felt so real. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:42] Speaker C: You know, you're like, seven. You're watching this, like, rock monster almost, you know, crush these by accident. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Like, not even. [00:21:50] Speaker C: And you're, like, sitting there, you're like, holy crap, this thing is moving. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker C: And it just feels. I love it so much. [00:21:56] Speaker A: The fact that he sits on the giant snail, the one dude. And, like, the snail is just, like, riding along. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Like, it looks so cool. [00:22:03] Speaker B: The camera with the bat. [00:22:04] Speaker A: With the bat. Like, all that stuff is really. I don't know why they all hated that poor bat. Sleeping, sleeping, chilling. He's fine. [00:22:12] Speaker C: Even the Rog monster at the end was like, I couldn't save anyone even [00:22:14] Speaker A: the stupid, stupid bat. [00:22:16] Speaker C: I was like, why do you have to call him that? [00:22:18] Speaker B: I think they just like the running gag. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker B: And thank you guys for bringing that up, cuz that was actually one of my main points. Not the bat, the. The visuals. I mean, absolutely surreal. Like, I was, I, I was like not. I was impressed by it while I was watching it, but the, my critiques of it were like holding me back for like appreciating. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:39] Speaker B: And after I left I was like, dude, that was a feat like creating those, those. It is those set pieces. And, and truly what stood out to me the most was the actual nothing. Whenever they would cut to shots of the nothing sort of, you know, consuming the landscape and it is just so beautiful. Like the cinematography of the nothing, like, was insane. It looked so good. It looked like something that you would see like in, I don't know, like an Oscar worthy movie. Like that kind of cinematography where you can't even tell exactly what you're looking at when they show the nothing. I don't know how they made it. It looked like smoke that was like lit with like different colors. [00:23:17] Speaker A: They're. They're dropping dyes into a water tank. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Is that what it is? It looks so good, man. I love it. [00:23:22] Speaker C: That is cool. [00:23:23] Speaker B: And I know when Oppenheimer came out, they did something similar to make like the. Well in the. Have you seen Oppenheimer? [00:23:29] Speaker A: No. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Okay. Well, in Oppenheimer, the whole thing that was hyping, people were hyping it up, were like, oh, there's no CGI in the movie. And there's like some dream sequences where Oppenheimer, played by Killian Murphy, is like seeing like the, the molecules and the protons and neutrons, whatever the. And I think they did it the same way, but it looks so much better here. And this movie's from 1984, so I thought that was fantastic, man. And the dolls, the animatronics, everything. The set pieces, the ivory tower was beautiful. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Gorgeous. [00:24:00] Speaker B: And the costumes, I mean, when they were there, all the people that were [00:24:04] Speaker A: listening, when they're having the, the sort of. Congregation. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yeah, the congregation. [00:24:07] Speaker A: What should we do? [00:24:08] Speaker B: I mean, I thought I was watching like a modern day movie. I mean like it was way ahead of its time. [00:24:13] Speaker A: The giant heads, the people with three faces and like. And again for just like two shots, you know, and like you imagine how much, how much time they had to spend on making, you know, designing that makeup, Creating the makeup, doing it just for a person to go w. Like at the camera, you're just like, whoa. [00:24:29] Speaker B: And it's this crazy, like, surreal thing. I forget the name of the director. But we talked about this before when they were going to make that Dune movie that, like, never. Yeah. The Chowski. Chowski. And he had brought on Salvador Dali to, like, do the. The. To act in it, but also do some of the. The. The drawing. Huh? [00:24:48] Speaker A: I am Dali. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And to do some of, like, the design. And I've seen the book. My friend has the book with, like, all, like, the production that never got made. And it looked like something straight out [00:24:57] Speaker A: of, like, production design photos are always the best. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker A: And like, the movies never look as cool as the actual design. And you're like, why did the movie not actually look like that? Because it's not drawn. Yeah, but. [00:25:08] Speaker B: But this felt like drawn. And my issue with a lot of, like, movies for. For kids is that I feel like they don't do justice to, like, the storybook. [00:25:16] Speaker A: Qualities. [00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Qualities. But I think Peterson and. And everybody involved. Yeah. And company. Everyone involved. The movie really did justice. Like, if I was a kid and I saw this, I would have felt like, damn, like, this is actually the book that I read. Even though we know it's not that close to the Swordsman's here. [00:25:30] Speaker A: We're gonna get into that. [00:25:31] Speaker B: But. But it looked so good. And even the. The luck dragon that we thought was so ugly and creepy. Which I agree. [00:25:38] Speaker A: Let's not say we. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Stephanie and I. Yes, thank you. As creepy as he was, his. His design was just really cool. [00:25:45] Speaker A: And he's Falkor. [00:25:47] Speaker C: First of all, I do have to bring up, though, at the end when we see, like, Falcor flying. I couldn't get over how much it bothered me that you could see, like, [00:25:59] Speaker A: the edges of the screen. [00:26:02] Speaker C: Screen around him. Which for the time, it was good. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And they could get rid of it now. [00:26:09] Speaker C: But it did bother me to see. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Like, would it surprise you that these things bothered me too, when I was seven years old? [00:26:15] Speaker B: Really? [00:26:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:17] Speaker B: But I mean, in 84, I feel like they had better green screen technology. I mean, like, if you look at the Star wars movies. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Oh, they have some bad green screen too. [00:26:24] Speaker C: I just realized. I said for the time period we're talking about the 1800s. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Well, we understood what you meant for [00:26:32] Speaker C: that era so long ago, they didn't have green screen. [00:26:35] Speaker A: I didn't think the green screen was that bad, actually. I think that's kind of how it is in general. Really? Yeah. [00:26:41] Speaker B: Even our green screen does that. [00:26:42] Speaker C: It kind of just bothered me that, like, the Whole movie looked really, really good. And then that end, I feel like they didn't like, they kind of dropped the ball there a little bit. Like in the way that it looked like I could tell that it was just him riding on the puppet. And then they just kind of like with the green screen behind them and them showing it. Like it looked. It looked off enough that it bothered me. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:04] Speaker C: As I was watching it and I just, I couldn't get over it as I was like, I was just watching this and I was just like, mmm, this is, this is weird. And I don't like this. And I think as a kid, that ending scene got stuck in my head too because it was so off putting that I was just kind of like, I don't like this. [00:27:20] Speaker A: Which one? When. When Bastion is. Is on Falcor and flying through Vancouver. [00:27:26] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:27:27] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Some of those shots are great though. [00:27:30] Speaker C: Some of them are. But some of them, like it's at an angle. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:34] Speaker C: Where it's just. It's really off. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:37] Speaker C: And it's always bothered me and I thought it would be better this time around, but it was even worse. [00:27:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. It is something that they could fix now. I mean, that is. Those are the things that George Lucas did with the Star wars, you know, when he went back in. Is that. Yeah. That he actually did the Emperor in Return of Jedi. Like there was this weird on his hood. It was a sort of like black thing that you would always kind of see that was kind of like, I don't know, it was just weird looking. And like they had to go in and clean that up because they just couldn't do it at the time. And they could clean it up now, but I just think it's one of those things like who's going to put the money up for it. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Criterion, if you're listening, since you remaster so many random movies all the time, but you guys should remember this would [00:28:17] Speaker A: be a nice one, a random movie to. To remaster just before the visuals alone. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:22] Speaker A: But you know, usually when a director is not here to. To kind of spearhead that, I think that there's no chance of that. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Unfortunately. [00:28:29] Speaker A: I do also want to say this is. This is just me being me. But like when I say his name is Falkor, it's actually Fuhur as it is in the book. I don't expect anybody. Fuchur F U C H U R Fuchur. Yeah, you do. Otherwise it's. That's why they went with Falco. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Falkor Sounds like five minutes of us doing. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah, let's just keep doing it. [00:28:54] Speaker B: All right, that's enough. Falkor sounds like a superhero or something. Or like a Power Ranger or something. Yeah. And he's not at all that. [00:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah, no, he is cool. I just. You don't. I. You know what? We grew up with him. And, like, they were. Because they were even saying, like, they have a film museum in Germany. I want to say Babu's Belk Studios 9. I think his artist studios already filmed that. Studios Bavaria Filmstadt. When will you get this? They have. Idiot. The full animatronic of Falkor. And then people can take pictures with them and everything. And, you know, he actually. [00:29:29] Speaker C: That big. [00:29:30] Speaker A: Yes. That was the full. They made a full scale model. Like the one where he is when you guys were all laughing and scratching his ear and everything. Like, that's the full. Wow, that's huge. Imagine you're a kid and you get [00:29:40] Speaker C: to, you know, sit on that thing. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Yeah, sorry. Yo. [00:29:46] Speaker C: Yeah, that came out really wrong, guys. I don't know why my twin came out when I said that. [00:30:00] Speaker B: Oh, what the. [00:30:01] Speaker A: So, no, in Germany, like, Falkor is sort of like almost like a Mickey Mouse figure in a sense that everybody knows when they see him, they're like, that's him. And, like, they were even putting him together, like, in political, like, pictures. Oh, really? Our prime minister took a picture with him and. And Prime Minister. No. 9. It is not prime minister. It's a chancellor. And in German, it's the Bundeskhansler. What is it called? That doesn't matter. Oh, it doesn't matter, does it? Of course it fucking matters. As you got to hear it for me. You cannot. What is this? What is this? You will not silence me. But yeah, like, everybody knows you see him and you're like, yeah. So that's why it's funny to me when you guys have such a, like, revulsion to him. Like, I'm like, he's adorable. We love him, you know? And you guys are just, like, gross. [00:30:47] Speaker C: Even as a kid, I didn't like it. [00:30:49] Speaker A: I think especially from you seeing it as a kid. Yeah, you have those memories of it [00:30:54] Speaker B: because he just Falcore. More like fartor, [00:31:00] Speaker A: you know, I always give you props for trying, but that one's really bad. [00:31:06] Speaker C: You just offended all of Germany. [00:31:08] Speaker A: But it's just. It's just. There's no sound. Like it doesn't rhyme with anything. [00:31:12] Speaker B: So F and an A. And I took a chance. [00:31:15] Speaker C: That's all you can do. [00:31:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:17] Speaker C: Anyways, yeah. [00:31:19] Speaker A: Moving on. [00:31:20] Speaker C: To me, he just always looked like a dog mixed with a lizard. And that really bothered me. [00:31:24] Speaker B: A dizzard. [00:31:25] Speaker C: A dizzard. [00:31:27] Speaker A: A log. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And, like, there was, like, something, like, pervy old man about him that kept, like, making me uneasy, especially because his face was, like, somewhat humanoid and his voice actor was really creepy. I. I'm sorry. [00:31:43] Speaker A: I really like the voice actor. I was surprised you guys thought he was creepy. And then, like, I will say that there's a weird combination when I look at him now, you know, looking at it now, like, yesterday, it's like that nose. The almost human teeth. [00:31:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:56] Speaker A: That white tongue. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:58] Speaker C: The very human teeth. [00:32:00] Speaker A: The very human teeth, I think is what puts it over the edge. But that's like. [00:32:04] Speaker C: And his eyes are, like, very lifelike, [00:32:07] Speaker B: and he gets winking all the time. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I love the winking. And I love, like, when Trey wakes up and his eyes just kind of opens because they're sleeping together. And sleeping together. [00:32:18] Speaker C: Not to mention the scene where he just straight up says, I love children. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:22] Speaker A: But, like, let's go back to our innocence. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:24] Speaker A: I mean, this is a kids movie. And. And there's nothing suggestive about anything that he's saying. It's. He loves kids, you know, like, innocently. As. As kids. This is a kids movie. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Although I'm trying to be innocent, I just couldn't help. And maybe this is just me being like. It is a sick. [00:32:41] Speaker A: It definitely is. [00:32:41] Speaker B: But when I was watching, like, the scene like that you were talking about where Trey gets up and, like, sneaking off and he catches him, it felt like they just had a one night stand and a. Trey was gonna try to ditch him and, like, walker. Shame here. Yeah. Walk of shame. And he caught him, and then he's like, no, stay about. You know, don't leave. Like, it felt like that. [00:32:58] Speaker C: Okay, well, you're going. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:00] Speaker B: Where do you think you're going? [00:33:01] Speaker A: You guys are so gross. [00:33:02] Speaker B: You're leaving already? [00:33:03] Speaker C: Andrea's like, where am I? [00:33:04] Speaker A: You guys are so gross. I'm gonna go ahead and step back from that, you know. Grow up, will you? [00:33:12] Speaker C: Aside from the pervy garbage, there was no perviness. [00:33:17] Speaker A: The perviness is in your brain. [00:33:19] Speaker C: Our pervy brain. [00:33:20] Speaker A: Yes. Thank you. [00:33:20] Speaker C: Just his design alone just was off putting to me. I don't like the dog lizard combination that was going on there. Just that fact alone. [00:33:31] Speaker A: I can see that. I was a little. [00:33:33] Speaker C: It was never cute to me. [00:33:34] Speaker A: It was not as cute as I remember it. [00:33:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:37] Speaker A: For me also, he just had, like, [00:33:39] Speaker C: the scales and, like, the claws. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Cool, though. [00:33:42] Speaker C: It's cool. [00:33:43] Speaker A: And like you said, his expressive eyes. And, like, when you think about it, it's just, you know, they just put some brown, shiny things together, and yet it comes through as. As a human eyes and, like, he's winking at you, and it's amazing. [00:33:53] Speaker B: I think that's what it is. It's the human qualities about it. It's, like, uncanny. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Yeah. They managed the uncanny valley without cgi. [00:34:00] Speaker B: Without cgi. And just the last thing is that he gets really, like, maniacal at the end when they're chasing down the kids whenever they come to that shot. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Yeah. He's trying to scare them. [00:34:10] Speaker B: That's creepy. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:11] Speaker C: And his laugh as he's chasing these children. [00:34:14] Speaker A: No, the bullies. Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker B: And that's where one of my major criticisms for the movie comes in. And I don't know if. Should we get there already? Or, like, it's. It's something with the end of the ending of the movie. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Oh, with the. Okay. Yeah. [00:34:27] Speaker B: It ends on such a good. It could have ended on such a good note with him flying through the city, you know, with Falcor. But then the decision to chase down the bullies and sort of stoop down to their level where now you're bullying them back. I felt like it lost the plot a little bit. It lost the message of the movie. Like, he could have wished for anything. He could have wished to, like, see his mom one more time, to, like, for his dad to, like, get over, you know, the. The pain of losing. I don't know if that's how the book ends, but even if it is, I think the way they did it. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Let's go there. [00:34:58] Speaker B: The way that they did it made it seem like, like, the main kid becomes sort of like. Like, vengeful against the bullies. And then, like, the whole thing at the beginning of the movie when he goes to the library and the guy's like, oh, you know how to deal with the bully? Just give him a good punch. And the kid's like, no. Like, he doesn't want to do that because, you know, you don't want to. Just, like, he didn't want to, like, fight back against them physically. And then you're kind of, like, mentally, you know, psychological warfaring. These kids at the end of the movie, and it's like, you're not teaching them a lesson. Yeah. You're teaching them a lesson to not chase you down on a flying dragon, but, like, you're doing it in an evil Way. I don't know. I think it loses the plot. [00:35:31] Speaker A: You said something and I forgot to write it down, but you said something when that happened. Something like, he's going crazy with power. [00:35:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Yeah. He went mad with power. [00:35:41] Speaker A: Mad with power. [00:35:42] Speaker C: After, like, he got this dragon. And to be honest, it was the 80s. And I feel like a big lesson in the 80s was beat up your bullies. Because that was a big lesson my parents taught me. And they were from the 80s. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:54] Speaker C: Like, my whole life, it was just like, someone bullies, you just punch the fuck out of them. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Which I agree. [00:35:59] Speaker C: And then you'll be fine. And I think that was showcased a lot in the media during that time. [00:36:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:04] Speaker C: Was you have to beat up your bullies. I don't know why. It was just a thing. [00:36:09] Speaker A: It was. Well, it was that sort of the macho masculine was still the. The norm. Right. And so, you know, if you get bullied, you bully back. Yeah. You know. [00:36:18] Speaker C: Oh, go ahead. [00:36:19] Speaker A: I just. Did you want to say something else? [00:36:21] Speaker C: I was going to say that it really did feel like once he got access to this creative power and, like, every wish he could possibly want, like, he kind of just whispered in that dragon's ear, I want to scare the fuck out of these kids. Come help me. And, like, just went crazy with, like, vengeful creative power. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:41] Speaker A: I just want to say I am absolutely loving that you guys are saying this, because the movie only adapts half of the book because it was too big and too complicated for them to do the rest of it. And so Wolfgang Peterson was like, I need to have an ending. And he's like, I don't know how to end it. And so he was like, let me have this big moment where he attacks. You know, he gets back at these kids. Right. But the way he behaves. I don't know if that was done on purpose, but it connects beautifully to what happens in the book, because what happens is exactly that Bastion gets all. He can make all the wishes he can control. Fantasia. And he goes mad with power. And I think he even mortally wounds Atreyu towards the end of the book. And it's. It's gets. It gets very complicated. I was reading it up now because I had only learned this about maybe two months ago. And I was like, dude, I never knew this. And so that was another reason I wanted to watch the movie, because I wanted to see how. How obvious it is that it's only adapting half the book. And so I was reading what happens in the rest of the book. On Wikipedia. And it's very complicated, but it's sort of like he starts to lose himself because as he makes more wishes and as he kind of creates Fantasia because he's sort of recreating it as. As he's the storyteller now, he starts. For every. Like, I think for every wish he makes or for anything that he creates, he loses a memory of the real world. And so he starts to lose himself in Fantasia. And then I think he even runs into, like, a room where there's all these kind of like. Like, spent people in there who were the former people who did what he did. Like the. The new rulers, the ones who are giving the names and who are naming all these things. And so a trey who kind of tries to come and stop him, and, like, he mortally wounds him. And I think that's when he sort of goes like, wait, what the fuck did I do? And then it's sort of like the toppling of the king. He became the king. He became a bad guy, basically. He misused the powers or kind of got kind of crazy with his power. Exactly. As you said. That's why it stuck with me, because I was like, yeah, you guys are picking up on it. That I think he was probably hinting towards that. And so it's kind of neat, actually, when you think about it from that perspective, that he ends the story there. He finds an ending for the movie, an ending that I still remember from, you know, 40 years later. That's kind of impressive to me. And at that point, it was just like, even for me, when I didn't like the movie, I was like, fudge. Yeah, get those bullies. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:59] Speaker A: But that he is still kind of putting those seeds in there, that it's like, you know, the way he is behaving does suggest what is to come next. [00:39:06] Speaker B: And. Oh, go ahead. [00:39:07] Speaker C: I have a question. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:09] Speaker C: This confused me when I was watching it. Does Bastion. Bastion become the new emperor? [00:39:16] Speaker A: No, she's the child emperor is still the emperor. Like, I. My understanding. But, like, he's like a ruler. Yeah. I don't know. Let me get back to you. [00:39:27] Speaker C: When I read, it confused me because I. I was like, does he now, like, is that why she's a child? Because she was like. [00:39:33] Speaker A: I want to say. [00:39:34] Speaker C: And then it just keeps switching. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I want to say. No, because when I was reading what happens, they were saying that he kind of like, she's still there as the empress. [00:39:43] Speaker C: Okay. [00:39:43] Speaker A: So, like, he doesn't like, supersede her. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Usurper. [00:39:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Like. Yeah, so. But I don't really know how any of that. [00:39:52] Speaker C: That would be a much better movie though. I feel like if they extended the movie to encapsulate all of that chaos [00:40:00] Speaker A: that's never ending story too. [00:40:01] Speaker C: Like that. [00:40:02] Speaker B: There's a second part. [00:40:03] Speaker A: There's also a third part. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:05] Speaker A: But the second part came out in 1990, so it was filmed in 89 and they couldn't get the same actors because they were all like teenagers by that point. So it's all recast, but from what I saw from it didn't look like it was the continuation of that story. But. Go ahead, Alex. [00:40:17] Speaker B: And so I'm glad that you said I had no idea about what. What goes on with. With Bastion. But yeah, that was my big problem that I felt like he's kind of like doing what his dad told him like to do. Like he basically becomes like as. As bad as the adults. [00:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:31] Speaker B: And so in that sense it works where like you get that and. And even the narrator at the end, I think is the last line is like he went on to make many more wishes, but that's another story or some shit like that. So corny. [00:40:43] Speaker A: But by the way, where did that narrator come from? He was not there at the beginning. [00:40:46] Speaker B: I don't remember. [00:40:48] Speaker A: That's what I mean. Like, it's. Yeah, it's at the same time, like you look at it from different perspectives. Like you can say, you know, they didn't have an ending because it's the middle of the book. So kudos for. For actually creating an ending. Yeah, kudos for still kind of massaging in what happens later in the book. But screw you for having to bring in a narrator to be like, there'll be many more adventures, but that's for another time. Like, who is this guy? We didn't start with a narrator. You can't bring one in at the end. [00:41:16] Speaker B: I would like to though, on that note, I think it would be really cool if they made like a rated R version. Not rated R, but like a more adult version of this story. Like the never ending story, but where we show like the realistic part of like when he starts to lose his shit with power and then like the sort of wrap up like a teenage. Like a Harry Potter. Like, you know, the Harry Potter movies towards the end they get a little more adult as you. [00:41:38] Speaker A: As you age up with it. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Yeah, as you age up with this, it'd be cool to see like a. Like a. Like a limited series or something with. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Right. I am surprised that they have. Not that there's been no real movement on remaking it or, you know, especially even in Germany where, like, they're, you know, they have. Like we said, they have their studios, they had a production system. And. And as far as I know, Michel. And it still is a very popular figure there. He's passed since. But, you know, he's. He's had other books that they've adapted. And so I find it a little surprising. It's funny, as we were watching it, that I was kind of imagining. I was thinking about that, like, why haven't they redone this? And then I'm like. I'm, like, curious how it would look, but I just feel like we would just be disappointed because they would just put it cg. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:21] Speaker A: And it just wouldn't have any of the. They can do more, I'm sure. Yeah. But it wouldn't have that flair. Exactly as you said. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Can I say that now? Like, we're talking about this. It sounds so much like Dune. You have the kid and. [00:42:35] Speaker A: And what's his name? [00:42:36] Speaker B: You have a Trey Atreides. And then like riding a big creature, the worm. And then as we know, in the. In the next Dune movie, he goes mad with power. He becomes the. The God. Not the God Emperor, but he. He starts like the rebel. Yeah. The. The war. The religious war. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:53] Speaker B: And so, yeah, I just caught that little. [00:42:56] Speaker A: There's a lot of. I mean, you know, especially fantasy stories, they always share things that. There was something. There were some Lord of the Rings references, also things that he took from Lord of the Rings. I mean, even just the fact that they all congregate together with all the species from the world and saying, we have this problem. What are we going to do? Yeah. And then it's going to be like, you. You are Chosen One. You go off on this adventure. We have that in Rivendell and the Fellowship of the. Of the. Of the Ring. And the kid even says. Bastion even says when he's in the bookstore, he's like. He's like, oh, I've read all of the sci fi. All adventure. And he's like, I read Lord of the Rings. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:27] Speaker A: I was like, that's cool. I didn't catch that when I was a kid. [00:43:29] Speaker B: It's cool. I just have one, like, final critique. And it's what sort of spoiled the movie the most for me. The kids cannot fucking act. I know. It's hard to get kids to act. A. Trey was the best actor in the movie. [00:43:43] Speaker A: Yeah, he was good. And he. He really Looked the part. Yeah, It's. It's like, he really looks heroic, but he's a kid. [00:43:50] Speaker B: But he's just a kid. However, the main K. Every time he was on screen, it just pissed me off so much. And there was like, I'm sorry. I know I'm talking about a kid here. So, like, I. Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but there was no subtlety to his performance. It was just like, are they talking about me? And it just took me so out of the story. Like, there's, like, this really dramatic moment happening between the Empress and Atreyu. And then, like, the whole world is crumbling, and every time they flip to the kiddies, he's doing, like, this ridiculous face. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:18] Speaker B: And it just really bothered me because, like, I've seen kids put up good performances and things before. Like, it's not like kids can't act. I mean, there are good child actors out there. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Let's. Let's try to put it in the context of not. I don't disagree with you at all. I kind of liked him in a sense. Like, he has a good face for the camera. Like, he has a memorable face. And it is really difficult to act by yourself. [00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:41] Speaker A: He's acting off a book. [00:44:42] Speaker B: That's true. [00:44:43] Speaker A: And for him. And then again, like, I think it would be difficult for anybody to sell those lines where it's like, are they talking about me? When it's, like, windy and he's reading a book? So I'll give him. I'll cut him some slack on that. And there is something dark underneath him that kind of comes through, I think, throughout that that sort of does hint to what happens later in the book. [00:45:00] Speaker C: He's a creepy little kid. [00:45:01] Speaker A: He's a little creepy. [00:45:01] Speaker B: He's got an odd look to him. [00:45:03] Speaker A: He's got an odd look to him. And I think, yeah, he's got a bowl cut. But I think. I think that was on. I think he was doing that on purpose. I. I think Peterson may have been trying to do that on purpose was to kind of suggest that there's a little. Something a little darker to him. [00:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:16] Speaker A: And again, that's kind of neat that you can. You can watch the movie like I did as a kid and never pick up on that and just be like, this is straightforward. He's a good kid. And then for us to watch it now and be like, there's something weird about this kid. [00:45:27] Speaker B: And about that weirdness. And. And we know that Peterson goes on to do, you know, like, actual adult movies and did it before. There's like something really, like, philosophical about the movie, about the nothing and about specifically not the. The. The second oracle, but the big turtle. The turtle, yeah. There's like, a lot of, like, existentialism in there, especially the turtle, who's like, nothing matters. And, you know, if I die, it's better than. Than living a life of nothing. [00:45:56] Speaker A: It's the swamps of sadness. [00:45:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Depression. Yeah. It's like. It's pretty like. It's pretty like introspective. [00:46:01] Speaker A: And I think Stephanie was. Was kind of reacting to when. And I promise I was gonna remember his name. The wolf. Starts with a G. Oh, Gamorg. [00:46:11] Speaker C: Gamor. [00:46:11] Speaker A: Gamor. Gamor. [00:46:13] Speaker C: Gamor. I was just about to bring that scene up. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Tell us about it. Tell us about it. I want to hear and what you thought of it. [00:46:19] Speaker C: So we have Gamor, which is this wolf, like, beast that's following Atreyu the entire time. And then when we get towards the end of the movie, Atreyu and Gamorg finally have this conversation. And Gamorg seems to be the only person that actually, asides from the Empress, that has like, a full scope of what's actually happening. [00:46:41] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Because he's working for the Nothingness, we find out. [00:46:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And explains to him that. That I'm sorry, I'm losing it now. That. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Remember the wording of what he said? That's what I'm trying. Because he said these things specifically about, like, when people lose hope, they. [00:46:57] Speaker C: You're going to have to help me here. [00:46:58] Speaker A: I don't remember. I didn't write it down because I'm an idiot. Well, do you remember what the. What the words. What the words was specifically? [00:47:04] Speaker B: I don't remember the words. I mean, it's basically like the. As people start to lo. Lose hope, like the. [00:47:10] Speaker A: Then you can control them. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Then you can control them. Yeah, yeah. He's like, when you. Yeah. Like, people who have no hope are weaker and can be more controlled. And it's. [00:47:17] Speaker A: That's pretty deep for a kids movie. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Yeah. And I don't know if the history there, but like, if we look at things that have happened in that region of the world, World War II, and like, propaganda and stuff like that, like, that is something that we know where, like, you, you. You know, you take people's hope, you. You fill their minds with other, like, you know, you take their imagination from them and people start to lose hope. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Anything about Germans, it's that Germans definitely will never, ever forget. They Always hold what happened in World War II close to their. To their chests. You know what I mean? And so. And so everything that they do is sort of in reaction to that. And so I would not be surprised one bit that Michael Ender was kind of putting this in the book as a sort of reference to, among other things, but what had happened in Germany. [00:48:02] Speaker B: And. And literally, I mean, I keep talking about this book, but the book that I just finished reading, Man's Search For Meaning by Viktor Frankl, who survived the Holocaust, his whole thing is talking about how, like, the one thing that kept him and other prisoners alive was their hope. And when people become apathetic in the camps, they started to lose their hope, they started to lose their meaning for life and they would just drop dead. Like. Like the typhus in their body would awaken and other stuff would happen. And. Yeah, I mean, like, in that. In that sense, the movies really deeply fell as. And even his battle with the wolf, although it was a quick battle, he just stabbed it. [00:48:36] Speaker A: They just can't in the book, apparently it happens the same way. It's not like a big fight. [00:48:40] Speaker B: It dives at him and he just stabbed. [00:48:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I just figured they just couldn't do it because how do you make the wolf move and have him fight and have it look good? So it was like, it worked the way they did it. It was just quick. [00:48:49] Speaker B: The wolf was a good villain, man. The wolf was like. And it's just. [00:48:52] Speaker A: And what a great visual when he goes into that tunnel and just his green eyes appear. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:56] Speaker A: I still remember that as a kid being like, what the fuck is this? You know, so. [00:49:00] Speaker C: And even, like, for a kids movie, that is such, like, a mature message for kids. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:06] Speaker C: Because, like, growing up, my brothers were like ADHD and stuff. So, like, you know, of course, during that period when you're a kid and you're hyperactive and hyper imaginative, like, adults are always trying to be like, hey, shut up, calm down, sit down, sit down, Focus, focus. You know, read this, do this. So, like, having a movie straight up be like, if. If you lose this imagination, like, yeah, you're kind of annoying with it, and adults don't like talking to you because you won't shut up about, like, your favorite dragon or something. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Right. [00:49:38] Speaker C: Like, you need to have it. [00:49:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker C: Because it gives you your personality and it gives you your independence. And if you don't have, like, that creative, imaginative personality, you kind of just fall into this box of, like, doing what everybody else is doing and listening to what everybody else is listening To. And you lose that skill of finding your own, you know, shit that you like to do and shit that you enjoy and a lot of individuality. Yeah. A lot of kids lose that nowadays. [00:50:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:50:09] Speaker C: Especially with, like, all of the crummy Internet shit. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Kids are just, like, shoving in their face right now. It is so hard to find kids that still have, like, that imaginative personality. So it was really refreshing to hear that again. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:26] Speaker C: That, like, you need to be imaginative and be creative because it's really easy to control you if you don't. [00:50:33] Speaker A: Right. [00:50:34] Speaker C: Because people can just tell you what to like and what to enjoy. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Yep. And if you have no hope, you're hopeless. Then you just kind of go, okay, I'll do it. [00:50:42] Speaker C: Especially, like, being in my 20s, like, sometimes I forget to continue to be imaginative, you know? Cause, like, once you go into college and, like, like, you know, it's. It's harder to continue. [00:50:54] Speaker A: You're. You're using other parts of the brain. There's not so much time to. To. [00:50:58] Speaker C: To focus on, like, creative things. [00:51:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:01] Speaker C: So it was nice to hear that. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:03] Speaker C: And be like, hey, don't just let other things take priority in your life. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:51:08] Speaker C: Other than, like, creativity and, like, the arts and stuff like that, because it is still important. So I like that a lot. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Did you want to say something or. [00:51:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I said it while we were watching the movie, and now that we're already at the end of the movie or discussing the. The themes, it got, like, really meta at the end where, like, the girl is saying how, oh, we're. We're in a book. She, the empress basically says that we're in a book that's being read by somebody, and that person that's reading the book is being watched by other people. Like, there are. His story is being. Is being seen by other people, and we are those other people. And like, you said it. You were like, I hope he looks at the camera. It would have been so cool if the kid, like, looked up from the book and looked at us, the audience. [00:51:47] Speaker A: I think he should have. [00:51:48] Speaker B: He should have. He kind of, like, looked past us at one point after that, but it got so meta there that I was like, whoa, this? No. How do you know? How do you know? [00:51:56] Speaker A: How do you know I'm watching you? [00:51:57] Speaker B: Yeah. And. Yeah, just like a fourth wall break, but, like, in a very subtle way. And I was like, okay, all right. [00:52:03] Speaker A: Movie. Yeah, I do want. Do you guys want to say anything else? [00:52:07] Speaker B: No, I'm done. [00:52:08] Speaker C: I was gonna add on to that and say, I Thought it was really cool too when she says. And he doesn't even know how important he is. [00:52:16] Speaker A: So it's almost like. Like we're just as important. Also by watching, like the way that [00:52:20] Speaker C: they did it was really cool and really subtle. So I completely agree with you. Like, I. I really like that part a lot. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker A: So we've been saying a lot of nice things about never ending story. I do want to still point out that it's still a bore to watch overall. That it is. The pacing is kind of, you know, it's the way, like, he starts reading the book and it's like these four amazing characters who are not the people that we're going to be following for the movie, they kind of get together and just sit down and talk. Yeah. They don't. They don't really do much for the rest of the story. Yeah. And they're just kind of like talking and like giving basically like giving us like an information dump. And it's a pretty long scene. And. And in general, like, like that's what I was. I like that we. That we veered off and really focus on what was good about the movie. But I really don't want to give this impression that it's like, oh, this movie is awesome as far as storytelling. I think the world building is really weak. Like, like we said, it is very clear at the end that this is not a complete story because you have to bring a narrator in to basically say, oh, but those are the other adventures. And in general, it just kind of felt like it was just kind of like as listless as the adventure that he's on. Like, it doesn't, you know, adventures, of course, are going to have that episodicness to them. You go here, they say, oh, I know where you should go. You should go here. You go there, you get the next clue. You go on. That's totally fine. But it just felt sort of mechanical. [00:53:42] Speaker C: I feel like they didn't follow through on anything. [00:53:45] Speaker B: No. Yeah, that's what I mean. [00:53:47] Speaker A: That's why it sort of seems like it's making it up as it goes along. Like, it's just like, oh, go to this and then go to that. And you're like, this is not. [00:53:53] Speaker C: It feels like they introduced things that were meaningful in the book. [00:53:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:56] Speaker C: But there wasn't enough time or like money or money or something to follow through on why they were important. [00:54:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker C: Like, I was so pissed off that they introduced these characters that were, like, kind of interesting and really cool. And then at the end, they Were just like, oh, they died. And then like, you didn't even let me get emotionally attached to these people enough to care that they died. [00:54:17] Speaker A: Or even when they bring them back. It's done so quickly. Like, he's just like. He's flying over. There's a tree. You and the horse's name. I forgot. And I'm just like. It's just this wide shot. Yeah. A tracks. Eight tracks. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Art tracks. Eight tracks. [00:54:32] Speaker A: I know, but it sounds like eight tracks. Was it like, you know, the old. [00:54:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Or the DJ8 track. Whatever. [00:54:40] Speaker A: I'm too old for that. I don't know. [00:54:41] Speaker C: Yeah, they made this, like, really cool rock monster seem really important to the story. [00:54:47] Speaker A: Well, he. Nothing. [00:54:48] Speaker C: He doesn't really do anything. Like it was the same as this. Like the adventure that they put him on. Like, this whole adventure was so important. And then all the information. The Empress was like, well, you needed to go on the journey because the boy needed to follow you. I'm like, he was here already. He started. [00:55:06] Speaker A: And Trey was totally right when he's just like, why did I do all this? [00:55:11] Speaker C: You made me go. [00:55:12] Speaker B: And she just gives like this smile. Like it's what you had to do to bring the child boy here. You. [00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I was like, I'm not buying that. [00:55:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I just have. I just had. I just thought of something and I'm gonna call back to one of our previous episodes. This movie suffers from Better Man Syndrome. It does all the same mistakes that better makes. Sets all these things up, gives us breadcrumbs, but doesn't flesh anything out and then just sort of wraps it up real quick at the end in like, in the. In the most like, cop out way possible. [00:55:39] Speaker A: Yes, it. It is that sort of like. Is that all there is? Seeing it as a kid with all those effects and everything, you feel like you sort of remember it being like, oh, this must be like a really well told story. Or. Or it must have all this, like, deep meaning or something. Then you watch it as an adult and it's just this sort of thing that kind of just goes through the motions and then kind of ends. You know, as far as. As far as plot, I think we would say there's subtext. There are interesting things in there. But as far as the plot is going from here to here to here, it's just kind of listless and not very imaginative. [00:56:11] Speaker C: I feel like the book, like, I don't know anything about the book, but [00:56:14] Speaker A: the way that you should all read [00:56:15] Speaker C: the book, I feel like it does this Much better. But even as a kid, like I remember asking my mom, I was like, why is this called the Never Ending Story? It ended pretty quickly here. [00:56:27] Speaker A: No, he had many adventures that were just not. [00:56:29] Speaker C: But like, like that's what like at the end, like it's wrapped up. He defeats his bullies. Fantasia is fine. There's many more adventures. But like. Yeah, it's like this felt pretty ended. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:42] Speaker C: You know, like I feel like there was so much more that needed to be explained, that needed to have been followed through on. [00:56:49] Speaker A: This really needs to be a limited series. Yeah. [00:56:52] Speaker C: I feel like this should be a show and not a movie. [00:56:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:56:55] Speaker C: It needs to be episodes. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Most books are going to be, you know, I think most books need to be TV shows rather than movies because you know, to do it just this. And I think especially this one which sounds fairly complex and even just some of it appearing in the movie is, is there is a complexity here and there. But it's just the, the, the overall story and what drives it is just so kind of vague and really just kind of like leaving it to fantasy stereotypes to kind of get you from one thing to the next. You know, like why is this here? I don't know. It's a fantasy. You know, like what are these, what are these big titty sphinxes doing? [00:57:30] Speaker B: What the are Sphinx is doing? Like are we in Egypt now? [00:57:33] Speaker A: Like and, and, and boobyful. [00:57:36] Speaker C: Why did they need straight up titties? [00:57:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:38] Speaker C: In the kids movie. [00:57:38] Speaker B: I don't even know if the sphinx has. Has. Has tits. Like breasts? Boobs. Sorry, I didn't know what word to use. [00:57:48] Speaker A: You felt bad saying tits. But it's just that they're so out there. Yeah. That you really can't. At some point I don't think they zoom in. But it looks. No, no, it looks up. There's hanging around just like front and center. But I'm like, I like that the Germans are just like it. Kids can handle boobies, you know, even if they're on sphinxes. You know. So like I'm like it's unnecessary but you know, unnecessary things are good too. But you know, but it's the thing that I would say that I didn't like was that he goes through those sphinxes, survives it. Which. That's another thing that I remember seeing as a kid. I still remember that in the theater. It looked a lot cooler to me. In the theater. [00:58:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:26] Speaker A: As a seven year old kid. A giant screen. When I saw it now I was like, oh, is that how it goes? Okay. But when he then gets to the Northern Oracle, it's just the Sphinxes, but in blue. [00:58:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to ask, does the. Does the Southern Oracle have a look [00:58:38] Speaker A: in the southern or. I don't know, because I thought I [00:58:40] Speaker B: was expecting like a Wizard of Oz, like something cool. [00:58:43] Speaker A: And it was just them, but in blue. [00:58:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:45] Speaker A: I was like, well, thanks for recycling. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Thanks for showing me blue tit instead of gold. [00:58:49] Speaker C: They hyped up those challenges so much and it happened so fast, and it was kind of really easy for him to get through them. Like the. The little science guy, he was like, the second challenge is gonna be so difficult. [00:59:01] Speaker A: That one. I would. Yeah. [00:59:02] Speaker C: Nobody passes the second challenge. It's gonna be the hardest thing ever. And he just kind of like, looks at the mirror. [00:59:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And like, you see your true self. Yeah. He goes. Yeah. [00:59:11] Speaker A: And what's this? Like I was gonna ask because I. It just my mind sort of doesn't remember even as we were watching it. What's the next thing? Where does he go after he goes through the mirror? [00:59:19] Speaker B: He goes into the area where the Southern Oracle is like the snow world. So he has to walk through the snow. He steps through the mirror into the snow. [00:59:25] Speaker A: That's right. [00:59:25] Speaker C: Okay, but see, that supposed to be that He. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Sure. Cuz he went to the snow world. Remember, the mirror was already in the snow. [00:59:31] Speaker B: Okay. So yeah, once he walks through that, he's already in the place where the Sphinx is. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:35] Speaker B: He goes through the snow mirror. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Sphinxes. [00:59:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Sphinx's snow mirror. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Sphinxes. Snow mirror Sphinxes. Yeah. [00:59:42] Speaker C: Yeah. But like, that challenge was supposed to be like he faces his true self and like battles it out. [00:59:48] Speaker A: He just sees Bastion reading the book. [00:59:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:50] Speaker A: And then he's like, all right. And steps into the mirror. [00:59:52] Speaker C: I was like, what the hell? Like, they just ripped us of. Like a really cool scene. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, like, sort of Harry Potter may have been inspired by this because, you know, like when Harry has to look into the mirror in. At the end of the first one. [01:00:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:06] Speaker A: That sort of had vibes from it. So it's like everybody kind of like takes from each other. It's kind of cool. [01:00:10] Speaker C: It bothered me. [01:00:11] Speaker A: And the way they did it was. Yeah, it bothered me so much. Yeah. [01:00:14] Speaker B: And then also the little science guy, Stephanie said, builds up this whole thing where it's like, oh, only people who don't know their true worth can get through the first. [01:00:22] Speaker A: Know their true worth or no. [01:00:24] Speaker B: Don't know. I think it was supposed to be. [01:00:25] Speaker A: No, no. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Okay, sorry. [01:00:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Because the night was supposed to be like, like he would look like he has it. And then. But deep down, he didn't believe in himself. [01:00:32] Speaker B: So. Yeah, it's like, okay, Only people who know their true worth will get the eyes of the sphinx to open and go through. But then, okay, we figure out that the night the eyes do open but he gets zapped. But then the same thing happens to a trail. He just had. Dodge. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:46] Speaker B: And it's just like, like, okay, so anybody could do it. You just have to have the right timing to dodge it. So it's like, does he. [01:00:51] Speaker A: It's. Your reflexes are better than your. Your true word. [01:00:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Is he worthy or not? We don't know. Maybe that's what I'm saying. [01:00:57] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Maybe the little science guy is an unreliable narrator because he doesn't. [01:01:00] Speaker A: I don't think we're. We're. No, I, I, I, I don't think that that's what they were trying to do. [01:01:04] Speaker B: It's giving them an excuse. [01:01:05] Speaker A: It's giving them an excuse. And, and I think. But that's what the movie is guilty of, is that it says all these tropes that we're used to, but doesn't really flesh them out or have any. So they have nearly no meaning and you can just ignore them. [01:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:16] Speaker A: And there's no consequences. Exactly. As you guys say. You're supposed to believe. I was thinking about that. You're supposed to believe in yourself. And I was like, but does jumping away from the laser beams mean he believed in himself? He didn't. [01:01:26] Speaker B: He backed up and then jumped. [01:01:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:28] Speaker C: Because then the science guy was like. He was like, hey, don't doubt yourself. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:32] Speaker C: Everyone was just kind of like, run. And I was like, what, bro? [01:01:37] Speaker A: I. I doubt myself all the time. I could get through that. And I'm fat. I can't run that fast. He's also a lot for them to shoot. [01:01:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:44] Speaker A: So. And I could still do it. [01:01:46] Speaker C: I did like that it was the science guy and the witch woman that were married and, like, kind of hate each other. [01:01:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:53] Speaker C: I thought that was really true. [01:01:54] Speaker A: Like, like fantasy and science. [01:01:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:58] Speaker A: Or like, you know, wizardry or magic in science. Right. Like, yeah, that's true. It's a good point. Yeah. I'm sure it's more. There's more of it in the book. That was a good joke. He was like, you know, like, what was it? The, the wench. [01:02:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. The wench and the winch. Yeah. But let's go, go, Go to the winch. [01:02:14] Speaker A: W. Get the Winch. Winch. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that. [01:02:17] Speaker C: As fast as you can go. [01:02:19] Speaker A: I think we should all read the book. I, I, I really, I think we [01:02:22] Speaker C: should teach us how to read in German. [01:02:23] Speaker B: We'll have a story time. [01:02:24] Speaker A: You guys read in English. I'll read it in German. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Cool. [01:02:26] Speaker C: That's not as fun. I, I want to read in German. [01:02:31] Speaker A: All right, well, you're going to have German lessons, which I am not in any way qualified. Qualified. Thank you. To do. Okay. So, I mean, I, I think now we, we sort of did talk about the weaknesses of the movie. And, and there is a reason why we were all kind of rolling our eyes and kind of falling asleep a little bit. But at the same time, there's also a reason why people have nostalgia for it and, and do remember it to this day. And this, despite the things that we complained about, there, there are things that pop up that are like, this is pretty cool. [01:03:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:02] Speaker A: But at the end of the day, I'm pretty sure I agree with Michelle. End of that, it's like, yeah, this is not the book. And something got lost somewhere. Okay, it is time for me to get the bowl. But before I get the bowl, I'm really. This is, this made me happy because I was really afraid that we were just going to focus on the negatives, especially the way that we were all kind of walked away from the movie yesterday and we're like, what the fuck? I like that we talked about it and that we sort of have seen that there is still even when something is really not good in a traditional sense, that we kind of explored and found the things that were cool about this, that we kind of, that we more focused on the good things here. [01:03:42] Speaker B: Look at us podcasting. [01:03:44] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. Pretty cool. [01:03:45] Speaker C: Being mature minded individuals. [01:03:48] Speaker A: I'm gonna step away and get the bowl. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Wait, are we doing Eddington or are we doing. Or we're good or we're getting both. Oh, we should pick a bow. Yeah. And then have. If we do get to watch Eddington, we will put it on the back burner. [01:04:01] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. That's how we're gonna do it. Yeah. So not that I'm gonna get the bowl. I'm gonna ask Bo to come. Yeah. Boom. Oh, Bo has joined us. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Hey, what's up, Bo? How you doing, pal? [01:04:22] Speaker A: Yeah, Bo, where, where are you, Bo? [01:04:25] Speaker B: I think he's right over here. [01:04:28] Speaker D: Oh, hello. [01:04:29] Speaker B: Hey, what's up? [01:04:30] Speaker D: Hey, guys. [01:04:30] Speaker C: How you doing, Bo? [01:04:31] Speaker D: I'm doing good. Did you guys enjoy the movie I picked for you? [01:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Cool. [01:04:37] Speaker D: Always complains about not what I'm picking. Hate that guy. Keeps putting his hands in me in the cold. Disgusting. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Anyway, Bo, you mind if we pick another movie from you? [01:04:50] Speaker D: Yep. [01:04:51] Speaker B: Who do you want to pick for me today? Who do you want to read? [01:04:55] Speaker D: Anybody but Paul. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Anybody but Paul. [01:04:56] Speaker D: Hate that guy. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Stephanie, you want to do the honors? [01:04:58] Speaker D: Did I mention I hate that guy? [01:05:00] Speaker C: Come over here, Bo. [01:05:01] Speaker D: Hey, hey. Now. [01:05:06] Speaker C: Okay. [01:05:07] Speaker D: Personal my job. [01:05:09] Speaker C: Okay. Are you ready? [01:05:11] Speaker A: Ready. [01:05:18] Speaker B: All right, let's see. [01:05:19] Speaker C: It is Blue Velvet. [01:05:21] Speaker B: Oh, we got a German pick. [01:05:24] Speaker A: I thought you meant, like a German person. What does that do with Germany? All right, do we want this or [01:05:31] Speaker C: do we want to veto it? [01:05:32] Speaker B: I don't mind. I don't mind watching this one. I've seen it many times. [01:05:36] Speaker C: Oh, you have? [01:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I've seen this movie like four times. But dude, love David Lynch. [01:05:43] Speaker A: All right, let's do it. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:45] Speaker B: Final German Pigot. Yeah. You wanted to veto again? [01:05:49] Speaker D: Did you want to veto it? [01:05:50] Speaker C: I just like vetoing his movies. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Oh. [01:05:52] Speaker C: It's like a hobby of mine. But no, no. [01:05:55] Speaker D: What Bo gives you, you must watch. [01:05:58] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:59] Speaker D: Even if it's from Germany. [01:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:00] Speaker D: I hate that guy. [01:06:03] Speaker B: What the. He's gonna be here for the next episode. [01:06:06] Speaker D: He doesn't like Paul's rating system. [01:06:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:06:09] Speaker C: He trashed the Paul rating system. [01:06:11] Speaker D: Yeah. As much as I hate Paul, you know. [01:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:13] Speaker D: I owe him everything. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:16] Speaker C: You want to know German's rating system, but out of a hundred, bro, that's not okay. [01:06:24] Speaker A: It's not. Four is perfect. [01:06:26] Speaker B: Speaking of rating systems, shall we rate the movie? [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yes. Our rating system is. Goes from. Out of four. [01:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:31] Speaker A: Four Pauls. Yeah. Let's go ahead and go around the table. And this is a tough one. Actually. I don't know where to rate it now because I sort of feel differently now that we've completed the episode. Who wants to go first? [01:06:43] Speaker B: I'll go first. [01:06:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:06:44] Speaker B: I give this two Pauls. [01:06:47] Speaker A: Excellent. Two Pauls is good. Stephanie. [01:06:49] Speaker C: I was also going to give it 2 Pauls out of 4. [01:06:52] Speaker A: And I too shall give it 2 Pauls out of four. We are all in agreement. It's okay. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. Shall we do the thing before. [01:07:00] Speaker A: The only thing we can. We have left to do is why we're now going to go around the table and tell you whether you should watch this. And the way that we say it will tell you whether you should or should not watch this. Is that fair? Is that correct? Yeah, we're all good on that. Excellent rule. Who's gonna start? [01:07:16] Speaker B: I'll go first. [01:07:17] Speaker A: Go first. [01:07:17] Speaker B: Watch this. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Stephanie. [01:07:20] Speaker C: Hey. What? Watch this. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Italians. [01:07:24] Speaker A: It was a little more. Yeah, okay. Okay. That's fine. [01:07:27] Speaker C: It can't be offensive because I'm Italian. [01:07:28] Speaker A: No, no. I was going to say effusive. That it was just a little more like. Like, positive than I thought. That the two different. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Take. That's her take. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah. I could see that as being indifferent. Yeah, I watch it. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Watch it. [01:07:39] Speaker C: Yeah, watch it. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Exact. Yeah, I watch it. Watch it. Yeah, watch it. [01:07:44] Speaker C: Don't watch it. [01:07:45] Speaker A: Don't watch it. Don't watch it. If you want to watch it, watch. If you don't want to watch it, don't watch this. Okay, that's it. All right. I think we have. Whatever. Episode's over. Go. Go home. What are you guys listening to? [01:07:57] Speaker B: You got to do your thing, Paul. [01:07:58] Speaker A: Oh, that was. That was it. Oh, that was it. No, it was. If you're going to watch this, watch it. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Watch it. [01:08:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it officially. Watch this. Watch this. It's not going to hurt you. [01:08:09] Speaker B: All right. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Do we have something easy to play out on? [01:08:12] Speaker B: I can sing. [01:08:12] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. It's just been playing Kaja Gugu. That's going to up my Spotify so bad right now. All right. Oh, let's just. Let's just play whatever's playing. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Bye, everybody. Thank you. See you soon. [01:08:25] Speaker B: Bye. [01:08:26] Speaker C: Bye. Get out of here. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Never ending story.