Episode 10 - Midsommar

[00:00:06] Speaker A: Here it is. [00:00:09] Speaker B: We're gonna lower it when the Fresh Prince starts rapping. Welcome everybody, to watch this, the movie discussion and review podcast that we watch movies as told to us by the mighty bowl, who will be making an appearance at the end of this episode. As always, the movie he picked for us today, he picks from a list that we give him. Should I give him. Should I give him gender that we give it? [00:00:34] Speaker C: I think it's already been assigned. [00:00:35] Speaker D: I think assigned male at birth. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he's been assigned male at birth. The movie we are talking about was suggested or the. How do we say it? The name of the movie was placed into the bowl. Is that too much? [00:00:48] Speaker D: The bull was fed. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Was fed this movie by our host sitting across from me. We're just doing a little bit different today. [00:00:56] Speaker D: Yeah, that's fine. [00:00:56] Speaker B: With who is named Stephanie Gablano. Hold on. Never not funny. Sitting across from me is our host, Alex Bello. And sitting in this chair speaking to you is our host, me, Paul Klein. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [00:01:20] Speaker D: I think we should start doing how they clap in the movie that they do this whenever they're like celebrating. [00:01:25] Speaker B: We should do nothing that they do in this movie. [00:01:27] Speaker D: No, we should do everything. [00:01:27] Speaker B: Everything. [00:01:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:28] Speaker D: We should live just like them. [00:01:30] Speaker C: Anybody cries, we all just have to cry very loudly next to them. [00:01:34] Speaker D: Yes. [00:01:35] Speaker B: Imitate their crying. So we are. I don't know if I said the name of the movie. We're talking about. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Mid. [00:01:40] Speaker B: Midsommar. [00:01:41] Speaker D: Midsommar. Midsommar. [00:01:43] Speaker B: I looked it up and. And Ari Oster himself, the director of the film and writer said. Said that he's fine with either. He calls him Midsommar. He's ok. [00:01:54] Speaker C: Summer. [00:01:54] Speaker B: What's the word I'm looking for? [00:01:55] Speaker D: Summer. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, any. I just have words stuck in my. Like explanation. Not explanation, pronunciation. It's. It's terrible. I just like normal words that any. You know, they just leave me sometimes. [00:02:06] Speaker D: That's fine. It happens to all of us. Yeah, most of the time. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Right now, Stephanie has a flower in tribute to the movie. She has a flower connected to her headphones. I have a flower on my microphone stand. Alex is just. Has this flowery personality, I guess. [00:02:22] Speaker D: You said it on me, Paul should. [00:02:24] Speaker C: Have had flowers in your eyes. [00:02:25] Speaker D: I should have. Oh, my lungs hang it. [00:02:28] Speaker B: So let's. As we always do, I think. I mean, this is a pretty popular movie. I think most people have at least heard of it. This is not like the. The mermaid movie, the Polish mermaid movie we did two weeks ago. But you know, I still think we should Kind of just sort of just set things up properly. Let's go around the. The table. We're gonna have Alex tell us who made the film. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Stars in it. [00:02:48] Speaker D: This film is made by Ari Aster, visionary director in the pioneer in the indie movement that's happening right now. [00:02:58] Speaker B: These critical buzzwords I'm just pulling out. [00:03:02] Speaker D: Of my ass, as do critics. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what we do. [00:03:04] Speaker D: And he is. Is actually kind of perfect that the bull regurgitated this title be. Oh, Paul is about to regurgitate his drink. [00:03:13] Speaker B: There you go. It's so gross. So. [00:03:19] Speaker D: In just a few. In a couple short months here, Ari Aster's next film, Eddington, is coming out starring nobody that's in this movie because this movie stars Florence Pugh and Chris Will Poulter are the only people whose names I know. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Off top of your head. [00:03:36] Speaker D: Off the top of my head. [00:03:37] Speaker B: The guy who plays Christian. I know who he is. He's actually Irish. And his. His accent does peek out throughout the movie. Yes, he's. But I forget his name right now, but after this movie, I don't like him anymore. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Yep. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Not. No, his performance is fine other than the. Than the Irishness peeking through. Like, he was like, what's going on? And you're like, no, you're supposed to be American. Okay, so that's who. And Ariasta wrote the movie. We said. Right. Did we. Did we explain that? [00:04:01] Speaker D: Yes, yes. Well, I didn't explain it, but it's been established. [00:04:03] Speaker B: But established. [00:04:04] Speaker A: Okay, good. [00:04:05] Speaker B: As last week, I'm leading. I'm going to lead over to Stephanie to tell us what the movie is about. Give us the. The setup. [00:04:10] Speaker C: Okay, so the. The main character, Danny, her. We. The. Okay. The movie opens up with us knowing that her sister is bipolar and Danny has, like, mental issues. It's made pretty clear that she has some type of codependency issues with her boyfriend. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:34] Speaker B: Oh, sure. Yeah. [00:04:36] Speaker C: So the. The whole beginning of the movie is that. And then we find out that her sister kills herself and. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Murder suicide. [00:04:46] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a murder suicide takes place in a. [00:04:49] Speaker B: In a haunting, really upsetting opening credit sequence. Really. [00:04:53] Speaker D: Dude. But it was so cool. [00:04:55] Speaker B: No, it's. It's. It's. It's amazingly done. But it's. It's still. It's still. Yeah, it still bugs me. Just. Just the visions of it and like with her, with, you know, with the. The hose, like duct tape to her face and like. Yeah. And then like her. I. One eye is cloudy. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:12] Speaker B: And it's just. It's really, really upsetting when she like. [00:05:14] Speaker C: She like haphazardly like duct taped the bottom of her parents door. [00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:19] Speaker D: So all the fumes stay in. [00:05:20] Speaker C: The way that it was depicted like, shows that this was a crazy person that did this in like a manic episode. [00:05:29] Speaker B: It was funny because I. I didn't. For some reason I. I thought that she had gone crazy. I didn't know what, you know, how the movie develops. So I thought that. That the Swedish cult thing, which it leads to, that her sister had been in it and that's what drove her crazy. And then when I was like, oh, no, she just had mental issues. I was like, oh, it's not connected. It's. There's a different connection. So, okay, so. So her sister commits suicide and kills her parents. Murder. Suicide. And what happens then? [00:06:00] Speaker C: So then Danny's kind of mental health just crumbles. Just her whole life just kind of falls before her eyes very validly. [00:06:11] Speaker B: At least she has a really good boyfriend. [00:06:12] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:06:13] Speaker B: To get her through it. [00:06:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:15] Speaker C: The most giant ass of a boyfriend I've ever seen in my life. [00:06:20] Speaker B: And we see his ass in the movie. [00:06:22] Speaker D: Yeah, we see a lot of. [00:06:23] Speaker B: We see a lot of. We see more than his ass. [00:06:26] Speaker D: Yeah, we see a lot of him in this movie. [00:06:27] Speaker B: When the old lady started pushing his ass. I'm watching this in my office. I'm like, I didn't need that. I did not need that. Continue, please. So she has a wonderful boyfriend who takes care of her. [00:06:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Who totally doesn't want to break up with her, as is mentioned the entire. [00:06:43] Speaker B: Time as he's sitting around with his boys. [00:06:46] Speaker C: And they're like, don't like her. [00:06:47] Speaker D: They're like, bro, find someone that actually wants to have sex with you. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Just the worst. The worst bros that. That you can imagine. [00:06:56] Speaker D: And then they're like, just think about all the Swedish chicks you're gonna impregnate. [00:07:01] Speaker B: And then he does foreshadowing. Foreshadowing. Yeah, I forgot about that line. So. [00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:07] Speaker D: Which, like, I've met those guys before. Like that exact group of people. I've met them before. [00:07:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:12] Speaker B: Well, we're in the US and of course we would meet them. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:16] Speaker B: And is that it for your setup? Well, no. What happens? [00:07:18] Speaker C: Well, so. So her boyfriend and his group of buddies, they are all anthropology majors in college. So they have this Swedish friend who's taking them to this. This little community in Sweden where he's from, so that they can get some research on a thesis that one of. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Them is doing that's the excuse at least, right? [00:07:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's how they set it up like that. They're going there to do some research for a school project and the boyfriend invites Danny so that, you know, he's not in the dog bed with her. The dog house. [00:07:51] Speaker B: The dog. [00:07:53] Speaker C: He's not in the dog house or the dog bed. [00:07:55] Speaker D: Yeah, the dog bed. [00:07:58] Speaker B: Right. It's more like a last. Yeah. Like she, he gets caught in, in the fact that he's going. He was going to go without her and didn't tell her. And. And then he's just like, all right, to, to kind of get out of the dog bed. He invites her along, which of course makes his, his homies really happy. Actually, it does make one of them happy. The Swedish guy, Pele. There's no accident at the Enemy. He's not a soccer player and. Yeah. And you know, when he's showing her pictures of the commune. Right. We can say it's a commune. [00:08:36] Speaker D: It's a commune. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:37] Speaker C: Yeah. That's what they call it. [00:08:38] Speaker B: That's what they call it. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:39] Speaker D: It's funny because she goes, oh, so Chris tells me you live in a commune. And he goes, it's a small community. It's a tight knit community. It's a common. [00:08:49] Speaker B: It's a cult. He's showing her pictures of it. And he starts. While she's looking at the pictures, he's staring at her rather creepily, so already like something's wrong. [00:08:59] Speaker D: And it seemed really sweet, though. It seemed like he was interested in her, but like, I guess because I. [00:09:04] Speaker B: I, you know, like we know the setup that like, I right away took that as like, danger. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:09] Speaker C: When I first saw the movie, I just assumed it was. [00:09:12] Speaker B: Can I do it again with the microphone? I'm sorry, megaphone. It's going to be like danger. Okay, thank you. Yeah, that was worth it. Go ahead. [00:09:20] Speaker C: I just assumed that it was one of those situations where he had a crush on her but didn't do anything because, like, his friend was dating her. But like, he, he knew that the boyfriend didn't treat her well, so he kind of like had that weird relationship with her where he was like trying to like, under the table, shoot his shot by being really nice to her. But that's how it was. I think that's what they were trying to make you think was happening. [00:09:43] Speaker B: I thought he was, he was. That he was like, she's a perfect. Remember, they. I mean, it's revealed. [00:09:47] Speaker C: Well, before I knew that that happened. [00:09:48] Speaker B: Right. But knowing what's Gonna happen. I. I've just kind of took him, like, almost more like a supernatural. Like, he's just like, I want to bring. You know, they said they have to bring in fresh blood. [00:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:57] Speaker B: So I just thought that he was grooming her basically for that. [00:10:00] Speaker C: I think that's the reality of what happened. [00:10:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:03] Speaker C: But what I assumed before I knew. [00:10:04] Speaker B: That before any of that happened, this. [00:10:05] Speaker C: Was like, just a good guy. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:08] Speaker B: So when he was giving a look, it was more like, I love her. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Yeah. It was more like, ah, she deserves better. [00:10:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker C: Type of thing. [00:10:14] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:15] Speaker D: He was also the only one that was being nice to her, so you kind of got the vibe that he actually, like, likes her. The only one out of the group that is actually think she's. [00:10:23] Speaker B: You have the one. So you have Mark, played by Will Poulter, who's hilarious. Like, again, a British guy playing the most ugly American. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:32] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like. Like the ugly American stereotype you can think of. [00:10:36] Speaker C: Peed on their festival tree. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah. They should have told him. [00:10:40] Speaker D: True. Yeah. [00:10:42] Speaker B: No peeing. We'll get to that. But. And then the other actor whose name does escape me. Do we have our IMDBs up? [00:10:49] Speaker D: We. I could pull it up. [00:10:50] Speaker B: I know that he is on the show the Good Place. And. And. [00:10:55] Speaker C: Yeah, it's the same guy. [00:10:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, do you know his name? [00:10:59] Speaker C: No. I know. No. [00:11:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:03] Speaker D: William Jackson Harper. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:05] Speaker D: American actor and playwright. [00:11:07] Speaker B: And he seems like a playwright. [00:11:10] Speaker D: And Christian is played by Jack Rayner. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Jack Rayner. Yes. [00:11:16] Speaker A: And. [00:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah. What's. What is the places, guys, what's his character's name? [00:11:21] Speaker D: Josh. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Josh. I knew it was a J name. [00:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:25] Speaker B: It's funny how. How his hostility towards Danny is just. Basically, he just does not. Like, she's not in the room. [00:11:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:32] Speaker B: He doesn't speak to her. Gets up and walks away when they're talking. He just gets up and walks away. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:39] Speaker B: And so it's kind of. You know, it's not a group of people that we particularly like. I mean, like, we feel for Danny. The rest are really kind of shitty people, seemingly. And. And I kind of was like, is this hostile? Like, is this, like, artsy hostel, a 24 hostile, you know, like, are we just gonna watch them, like, you know, go here and be tortured to death? Not too far from the truth. But there's. There's. Yeah, we'll get to that. [00:12:07] Speaker C: It's kind of like that. [00:12:08] Speaker B: It's kind of like that. Yeah, it is really. It is kind of artsy hostile. [00:12:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:11] Speaker C: Like, not to get Too into the movie. But when I watched it, I was like. I was like, yeah, they. [00:12:17] Speaker B: We'll get to that. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:19] Speaker C: Jerks. [00:12:22] Speaker D: I. I have another movie that I. That I would compare it more to than Hostel, and it is the Wicker Man. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Well, I wouldn't. That goes beyond comparison. I mean, it's highly influenced by. Yeah. By the Wicker Man. And I think Ari Oster is definitely playing within that trope. Like, you know, he kind of expects you to have sort of seen it or know of it. He's like. He's basically like, here's my cult movie. Yeah. That goes within the genre of. Of cult movies, you know, so. Yeah, so. So they end up in Sweden and they're brought into this commune. And right away, whether it's by sound design, camera moves and. And definitely their behavior. I mean, they're all smiles and hugs and very kind to them, but just something is off. Right. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:07] Speaker B: You know, like what? Anything that kind of stood out to you that was sort of like, you know, send off dangerous signals. [00:13:16] Speaker D: Well, at first it was the fact that, like, and this was early on when. When they're still in the apartment, and he's like, wait, so we're going to go to Stockholm and then here. And he's like, no, no, no, we're going straight there. And it's like, you could tell that I had that when they first talked about going to Sweden, they were like, oh, you know, we're going to do a trip. We're going to go to different places and then go there. And then Pele is basically like, no, we're going straight there. And then. Yeah, just. Just kind of like the way that they're just pulling up to this random field and there's just people standing around and they're all bringing their friends, and it's just. It just feels odd. I don't know. [00:13:52] Speaker C: For me, it was the sheer amount of drugs that were forced down their throat from the very beginning, like, from the second they met these people, it was drugs. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Here's some drugs. Take these drugs, like, almost every scene. You want some tea? What's in the tea? Stuff. [00:14:11] Speaker B: It'll be good for you stuff. Yeah. The drugs is interesting and again, to kind of showcase the. The unhealthy relationship there and, you know, the specificity to the way that that sort of plays out when all the guys are like, drugs. Yes. Mushrooms. Yes. [00:14:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:30] Speaker B: You know, and then now you have this woman who has just gone, lost her whole family to murder suicide, who is completely traumatized, and she's Like, I need to settle in first before I do the drugs. And, like, Christian, her boyfriend, trot. You know what I mean? Like, he does that sort of like, I'm a good guy sort of a thing, you know? But, like, you know, so she says no. And of course, Mark being a piece of shit is just like. He's like, come on. You know, like, the whole thing is this chick is ruining everything, man. You know, he doesn't say it, but you know that. That's the. The inference. And so basically, in a sense, even though he is telling her she doesn't have to and that he will wait with her, I sort of feel like, like, the undertone underneath all that is basically, she's still being pressured. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Like, it's not like. I think if he really would have cared, he would have said, you know, he would have taken a stance and just took them out of it. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:22] Speaker D: You would have been like, I would have told my friends. No, no. We're not exactly saying we'll. We'll wait. [00:15:26] Speaker A: Y. Yeah. [00:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah, but. And he says it. But he doesn't say it forcefully. Right. Like, it's just that sort of meek kind of. [00:15:34] Speaker C: That's like a specific type of peer pressure where it's like, there's like a guilt there. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:39] Speaker C: Where it's like, okay, we won't do it, but you're ruining this for me, by the way. [00:15:45] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:46] Speaker C: You know, so it, like, makes that person feel really guilty that they're ruining the fun for, like, this person. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:52] Speaker C: But they can't say anything because that person is technically, like, doing it with them. It's like a. I've met people that do that. It's the worst. [00:16:02] Speaker B: I mean, it's. That's what I mean. Like, it's so. It's so real, that moment. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Manipulative. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:16:07] Speaker D: Yeah, big time. [00:16:08] Speaker B: And that's the thing. Like, if. If you kind of wouldn't be paying attention between the lines, like, you could almost be like, oh, Christian is trying. And it's like he's pretending to try everything is just pretending to try. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:20] Speaker B: You know, and he would do her much better if he would either commit and be like, no, I'm going to get you through this. This trauma. Or just be like, I can't get you through this trauma. [00:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:30] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, you need to be on your own. Or. [00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker B: Which is horrible, too. But at least it's more honest. [00:16:35] Speaker C: Yeah. But at least if you're honest, be like, hey, I can't handle this. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker C: I don't know what to do here. [00:16:42] Speaker B: And I wouldn't blame him for not being able to handle that. [00:16:44] Speaker C: Like, at least be like. Like, there's nothing I could do here. Like, this isn't within the span of something that, like, me, like, I can do. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Like, we need to separate so that you can heal and I can go my own way and then leave it at that. And then don't drag her along and manipulate Christian. Pissed me off, by the way. [00:17:03] Speaker B: But as you said to yourself, like, I don't know how well that conversation would go since she is codependent. [00:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:08] Speaker B: So, like, it's not like she's completely innocent. You know what I mean? Like, but. But still, it's sort of like. I guess that is the challenge of being an adult, is that you sort of have to. Rather than sort of, like, keep dragging these things along for both of them, you know, just. You gotta. You gotta just rip that band aid off. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker A: He. [00:17:29] Speaker B: He's. [00:17:29] Speaker D: He is aware that she is, like, dependent on him because he. He has to know it just because he knows he gets away with all this. Because even when they had the argument about the. About the flight, she's like, you already purchased the flight. It's like, it just. As soon as he. As soon as he threatens to leave, she's like, no, no, no, no. Stay. [00:17:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:46] Speaker D: So it's like he knows. [00:17:47] Speaker B: He ends up apologizing. [00:17:48] Speaker D: She ends up apologizing to him. So he's like, a master sense that, like, he knows how far. Like, how to do the bare minimum, but also how far to push the boundaries to get her to, like, cave to. [00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:00] Speaker D: To her dependency of him. And he just does it throughout the film over and over and over, and it's just so hard to watch and. [00:18:07] Speaker B: And kind of as. Go ahead. [00:18:09] Speaker C: I was. That upset me so much when I saw that scene where, like, this sec. Like, he got so defensive and then immediately just went, okay, fine, I'll go. And she, like, broke down. And I was like, no, please. [00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:25] Speaker C: That was more torturous than anything else in the movie, was watching their. Their toxic relationship. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:32] Speaker B: I mean, and he kind of proves himself to be pretty shitty throughout. Like, you know what he ends up doing to Josh? You know, basically stealing his idea for. For the thesis. You know, and then remember how he says it to him? Like, where he's like, I'm just telling you up front. So. [00:18:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker B: So basically, like, I'm being a good guy because I'm telling you right now, the guy's like, it doesn't matter if you're telling me you're still doing something wrong. [00:18:57] Speaker D: You know, it's just a classic, like, manipulator. And he just has this dumb look on his face the whole time. Like, he's. Otherwise, he's like a pretty handsome guy, but, like, in this movie, he just has this dumbass look on his face the whole time. And he just has no passion and no drive, but he's just, like, follows what everybody else tells him to do. And that kind of becomes a pattern throughout the movie. [00:19:17] Speaker B: I mean, even. Even when. What happens at the end with him? It's basically again, like. Like you said, they're telling him what to do. He just does it. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:26] Speaker D: And so then now we. [00:19:31] Speaker C: Had an old lady doing it for him. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:35] Speaker C: He couldn't even have sex for himself. [00:19:40] Speaker B: I don't ever want to think about that scene again. [00:19:43] Speaker C: Are incredible. [00:19:44] Speaker B: No, you need to push. That was terrible. Terrible. Oh, my gosh. [00:19:47] Speaker C: It was ridiculous. [00:19:48] Speaker B: So gross and. And so inappropriate for me to watch at work. [00:19:51] Speaker D: But it's fine. [00:19:52] Speaker B: It's. [00:19:53] Speaker D: It's just. It's part of the Midsummer Festival. You're doing cultural research. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Right. Right. Like, they were. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:01] Speaker D: And so we finally get to the part where they do these drugs and they're all just hanging. And this is where to follow up on what you were saying. Like, something feels off. Danny takes the drugs, which are just like, shrooms, and they're all laying on this hill. Mark is, like, being a little. He's like. He's like, why is by the only one laying down? [00:20:19] Speaker B: Everybody else laid down with him to lie down. [00:20:21] Speaker D: And Pele is just in. It's like. Like lotus cross position. Just, like, just embrace it, dude. [00:20:29] Speaker B: I mean, I guess there's something to be said for the cult because the cult members seem to be pretty happy. [00:20:34] Speaker D: They all seem. [00:20:35] Speaker B: And they seem pretty relaxed and okay with the world. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:39] Speaker D: And then Danny has, like, the leaves are, like, coming through her hand because she's high as her growing through, which. That looks like it feels good. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Well, and I think that was the interesting thing because, like, I've never done hallucinogenic. Like, I've never done shrooms and. Or acid because I've had friends describe it to me. And the. The chance for me to have a bad trip is so high because of my anxiety and, you know, depression in general. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:06] Speaker B: That it would. It. I would almost be guaranteed to have a bad trip. And that's why I stayed away from it, because it's just like. Like. And that's what I think. When we're discussing it before, the reason I don't want to do is because I want to be able to turn it off. [00:21:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Like the moment it gets bad and I know that I can't, which will make it even worse. And then I know I will have a bad trip because I'm afraid I'm not going to have a bad trip. [00:21:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:27] Speaker B: And so what I thought was interesting thing here was that, you know, Pele is trying to talk them through it and try to have them have a good experience. And she starts to, you know, he's like, be one with the earth. So she sees the grass growing on her hands. [00:21:40] Speaker D: Through her hands, the leaves are breathing. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Yeah. But. But then as she had worn, as she had said, you know, she doesn't want to take it because she's gone through this traumatic, horrible thing. And so guess what happens? It starts to flash back and she starts seeing the horrible things that she's seen. And she ends up having a really bad trip. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:57] Speaker D: And it's as soon as he. Well, it's when the new guy is approaching and he's like, oh, no, people. I can't do new people right now. And he's like, no, don't worry, we're all family. And family is the word that clicks it for her where she. Then she. You can tell that's immediately when she starts freaking the out. And she takes off running, trying to not freak out. [00:22:14] Speaker B: And like there's a group that sitting around laughing. And then she thinks they're laughing at her. So it's kind of making her paranoid. And. And it's funny because the. Because we're. We're introduced quickly to Pele's brother Ingmar, as we said. And he's so kind also when she comes running to him and he's like, they're not laughing at you, you know, like they're. They're really trying to be calm. And little do we know. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:35] Speaker B: What kind of a Up weird cult they belong to. [00:22:38] Speaker D: They are good trip suitors, though. He was really, really calm her down. [00:22:41] Speaker C: They're so nice, though. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Just don't cross them, I guess, you know, like, don't make fun of the tree. Don't piss on a tree. Or get angry when you see what they do. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:51] Speaker C: Like, just don't, you know, piss on their culture pretty much. [00:22:55] Speaker B: I. I know. [00:22:56] Speaker C: I. I know this is a horror movie, but like. [00:22:58] Speaker B: No, no, no. [00:22:59] Speaker C: There's like a bone in my body where I'm kind of. [00:23:01] Speaker B: I don't Think you're wrong. I'm just like. [00:23:03] Speaker C: I'm like, if you don't assault people's way of life, if they're happy with it, then you don't got a problem. [00:23:09] Speaker B: True. I. I would murder you. I was watching because you mentioned that as I was halfway or quarter way through it. So I was watching it with those eyes. And. And I would argue. So basically what we're saying here is like. You're saying that, like, these people came into. Are we here yet? Do we need to set this up? [00:23:27] Speaker D: Let's get there. We're about to get there. I think the only thing that we're missing to get there is that after Danny has his bad trip, she wakes up the next day. We find out that there's barely hours of nighttime here in this part of Sweden. And they walk these. This long hike through the forest to get to the ducking under trees. [00:23:44] Speaker B: And, you know, there's a whole conversation. [00:23:46] Speaker D: About ticks, about ticks. Where Mark is like, are there ticks in Sweden? They're like, yeah, there's a big tick problem in Sweden. So he starts freaking out. Then they arrive at Horga. [00:23:55] Speaker B: And again, like a wonderful scene, how they introduce it with these long takes and like, beautiful, you know, and. But there's always. I think that there's this. So, okay, when I was watching it first, I had to change the speakers because at first, like, for some reason on my computer, I had the volume blasted all the way up and like, nothing was, like, I could barely hear anything. I had to put subtitles on, but. But even then I could sort of tell that the sound design, like, there was. There's women's voices, but there's also like this. There's some kind of like, constant sound underneath everything that sort of just makes you a little bit uncomfortable as you're. [00:24:28] Speaker D: It's like a weird droning. Like. [00:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah, there's like a drone, but it's like. [00:24:31] Speaker D: There's something ethereal about it. It's not like the typical droning that you see in other movies where it's like. Feels like a horror movie. It feels like, I don't know, a lie. [00:24:39] Speaker B: It's true. I mean, the droning is there from. From early on when they're in the US but it is more sinister there, I think. Or more typically horror sinister there. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker B: And then it kind of goes that weird ethereal when they get to. To Sweden. And. And it's funny because I. I think I can mention this. Here is what's interesting is that a lot of this we're talking about the foreshadowing. And there's a lot of foreshadowing. Like a lot of the things that happen in the movie are right there in front of your face. And some of them are very obvious. But even, you know, like when he's describing how. How the people who live in the commune, how they have three stages of life. [00:25:18] Speaker D: Yeah. The four seasons. They're like. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Four seasons. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:20] Speaker D: So from birth to 18 is. [00:25:23] Speaker B: You live in the commune. [00:25:24] Speaker D: You live in the. Yeah. Spring and then summer is from 18 to 36, where you go on pilgrimage. And then 36 to 72. No, 72. [00:25:37] Speaker B: I know, 72 was the end. [00:25:38] Speaker D: I think it was 36 to 50 years. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Right. And then there's a fourth that goes between until 72. And it's funny because then Danny says, she's like, well, what happens after 72? And. And Pele goes, you know, head across the neck and. And he laughs, you know, and she's like, haha. And like, we still don't really know what's happening at this point, but I'm like, bro, I think this is for real. And then we find out, bro, it's for real. It's for real. And there's a lot of things, you know, like, that are just out in the open. Like, you know, I mean, they go into that house that they all sleep in. [00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:07] Speaker B: And it has all these, like, drawings on the wall. And it's all the weird shit that's going to be happening at Mark point. [00:26:12] Speaker D: There's a bunch of penises. [00:26:14] Speaker B: He's like, it's hard to sleep with all these penises. And. [00:26:18] Speaker D: And this is a point that I wanted to make. And it's to the point that you were making earlier about how, like, they just have to accept people's culture. One thing that I didn't notice the first two times I saw the movie, but I notice more now because I'm around, like, people who are academics. We know that they're PhD candidates and they're anthropologists. Yeah, they're anthropology PhD candidates. So something that did bug me a bit throughout the movie, which, like, I get why they would have problems with it, but it's like, you would think that someone who's an academic who's like, studying this field of research would have more of an open mind going into these things. [00:26:53] Speaker B: But don't you think Josh had that open mind? [00:26:55] Speaker D: Josh had that open mind, but it seemed like all the other friends, like, didn't. Danny, I understand not having it, but Christian, maybe because he's just. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Christian sucks. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Like you said, he's a faker. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:05] Speaker B: Right. Like, he's not a true anthropologist. I think. I think Josh probably comes the closest to it. Of course, he makes a really bad decision. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Because he. He doesn't. I guess he's so used to studying civilizations that have been long gone. [00:27:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:20] Speaker B: That he doesn't know how to behave when one is still right in front of you and doesn't. And he treats them as if they are just a subject and not as real people. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Not like a living, breathing group of. [00:27:30] Speaker B: People that may take offense to. You have boundaries. [00:27:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker B: So I'm trying to think. Yeah. So. So a lot of this is setting things up, like we said, and they're giving you the clues. They're right in front of your face. And. And then. Yeah. As we're. As we're sort of seeing it, like, we're like, these people are weird. [00:27:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:54] Speaker B: I mean, they're, like, picking flowers backwards, you know? And, like, the Americans kind of make fun of it in a way. I totally understand. [00:27:59] Speaker A: Like, I. [00:28:00] Speaker B: Like when Danny, like, picked them from. Danny picked Christian flowers? [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. [00:28:03] Speaker B: It wasn't the other way around, was it? [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:04] Speaker D: Danny picked Christian flowers. [00:28:06] Speaker B: And then he's like, did you pick them going backwards? And she was like, no, I did not. [00:28:09] Speaker D: It was funny because Mark was like, what did Mark say? He's like, somebody to tell them they're walking weird. And then at some point, he's also like. It's like they're trying to make the food gross. I'm sorry. He was just so funny. [00:28:23] Speaker C: That made me laugh when I watched the movie. I was like, that's so something an American would say in another country. [00:28:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker B: And that's kind of where, to me, like, the hostile, you know, comparisons come from, because that really was the ugly Americans going abroad, you know, and then basically paying the price. And that's kind of what happens here, too. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:41] Speaker B: But. Yeah, and then there's. I think I want to mention this because it sets up. I think one of the funniest lines in the movie was, you know, as the camera kind of starts prowling around the grounds, I think you even kind of leave the main characters, and it's just sort of prowling around and showing you things. And it goes past this one, like, tapestry. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Right. [00:29:02] Speaker B: And, like, you see a woman, like, shaving her vagina, like. [00:29:05] Speaker A: And. Yeah. [00:29:05] Speaker B: And the hair is going into the food. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:29:08] Speaker B: Which later ends up happening. Remember what. What happens with. [00:29:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:14] Speaker B: When Christian's eating The pie. And he finds a pubic hair in there. [00:29:17] Speaker D: Yeah, it was when. When Igmar. When the main characters walk away. [00:29:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:21] Speaker D: And Ingmar stays with Connie and what's his name? And Simon. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Simon. [00:29:25] Speaker D: And they're like. And they're like, oh, wait, what's this? What's that? And then they see a bear. [00:29:29] Speaker B: I love it. He's like, what's the. Like. Like. He's like, why is there no. How does he say. [00:29:33] Speaker D: He's like, are we going to. Are we not going to talk about the bear? [00:29:35] Speaker B: And he's. He's like, it's a bear. [00:29:36] Speaker D: It's a bear. [00:29:37] Speaker B: There's a bear in a cage. Yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker C: Do you guys know why the. The pubic hair wasn't his food specifically? [00:29:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Because she had picked him. The. [00:29:45] Speaker C: The. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:46] Speaker D: Red hair. [00:29:46] Speaker C: So, like in witchcraft, like a. A love spell that women will do is that they'll put either their pubic hair or their menstrual blood or both into the food of the person who they want to fall in love with them to cast a spell on them. [00:30:03] Speaker D: And she did both. She put menstrual blood in the drink. [00:30:06] Speaker C: And so that was like her way. [00:30:07] Speaker B: I don't remember that. She doesn't drink. [00:30:09] Speaker D: His drink was the only one that was orange. Everybody else's drinks were yellow and his was orange because she had put her menstrual blood in the drink. And you see it also in the painting, I think. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Right? [00:30:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So that was like her way of trying to get him to like, fall in love with her or like, make some type of, like, romantic lustful connection with her. Yeah, that's like a common witch. Which practice. [00:30:27] Speaker A: Huh. [00:30:28] Speaker D: And when she. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Well, can I connect? No, go ahead. Sorry. [00:30:32] Speaker D: This is kind of like a backtrack, but. Because this is, I think the morning. I don't remember when. Actually, you know what? I'll let you go because I'll build up to it. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I'm jumping way ahead. But, like, the reason I want to say, like my favorite line in the movie was when he's Christian, is called to speak to the elder and she tells him that. That this woman, the one, you know, the one who's been doing all this, that. That she's in love with him and that they've picked him as a. As a perfect match, a perfect mate, I think. [00:30:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:58] Speaker B: For her. And he's kind of. He's just very non plus. He's like. He's like, yeah, that makes sense. I think her pubic hair was in my in my food. And they're like, yeah, that. That's like. Yeah, that's about right. [00:31:09] Speaker D: Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, but it was funny, too, because she's like, how do you feel about her? And he's like, oh, I think I found a pubic. That's not what she asked you. [00:31:22] Speaker B: That's right. That's about right. [00:31:23] Speaker D: Yeah, there's a lot of, like, weird. Not weird. Look at me. I'm being like that. There's. No, it's not weird. But there's a lot of pagan rituals that happen throughout the movie. I mean, they're like a pagan cult. [00:31:33] Speaker B: Basically, which is what. What Wicker man is about. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:36] Speaker D: And. And so the after we see them, it was actually really funny, too. I don't know if you guys caught this, but I didn't catch this the first two times, but I caught it this time. When Ingmar is telling Simon and Connie about, oh, it's a love story, and it pans, like, through. When it finishes going across the tapestry, you see just Pele and Danny walking together, and they're walking back to the building. So it kind of, like, shifts from that love story to them, too. [00:32:04] Speaker B: And then that is the. That is the love story. [00:32:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:06] Speaker D: And they're walking alone together. And then they basically get back to the commune and they're like, oh, you know, time to go to sleep. And right when they're gonna go to sleep, he asks. Oh, he's like, oh, you get. Get some rest. Tomorrow's a big day. And. And he says, what is it? Is it atonement or something? And whatever. They Google it the next morning. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, you mean that one. Yes. [00:32:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:32:26] Speaker D: The first night. And it was just. This is. This is what I've been building up to the next morning. It's so funny because it's when she gets up with the rune to put it under Christian's bed, I'm pretty sure. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Okay. [00:32:37] Speaker D: And she just gets up and walks in the weirdest fucking way. [00:32:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:41] Speaker B: That girl's so creepy. [00:32:42] Speaker D: She just gets up and, like, weirdly, like, hunched over, like, walks fast and slips it under his bed. That's all I wanted. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's good that you actually mentioned that, because after what happens in the movie, when you see her at the end, she seems a lot more confident. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:56] Speaker B: She has, like, makeup on. She seems like an adult at that point. And she's moving much more confidently. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:33:03] Speaker B: So that was kind of interesting. Again, I think all these things are on purpose, which is that. That's kind of what I like, with, with filmmakers like Ari Oster, like, you know, like, I'm giving you shit for what you're saying, but there's a reason why I. To sort of put meaning behind these. These kind of buzzwords that we use a lot. You know, if you feel like you're in the hands of someone who has everything laid out and everything he's showing you is. Has a purpose too. Yeah, I noticed. For instance, like, even in the, in the U.S. i think one of the first shots of Danny's apartment is a picture with. There's a bear. There's a big bear and someone standing in front of it. I don't. I didn't quite make out what was going on there, but I mean, obviously there's a connection. [00:33:42] Speaker C: From what I remember, it's like a big giant bear, like hunched over, and then there's like a small girl, like in front of it, I think, with flowers in her hand. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of flowers and. [00:33:53] Speaker D: She'S sort of reaching out to the bear. [00:33:54] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, right. And then, I mean, not much happens with the bear. You know, I'll be, I'll be honest. Like. Like, I think, Alex, I think in a way you. You sort of over prepared me because you were just like, bro, is gonna get so bad, you know, like, we gotta work to that actually. But. But yeah, like I, I was a little like, oh, that's all that happens with the bear. I was like, okay. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:34:17] Speaker D: I mean, that's all that happens with the bear. [00:34:19] Speaker B: But trust me, I. I was glad. [00:34:21] Speaker C: Yeah, the metaphor behind the bay, Right? [00:34:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:25] Speaker B: Well, we'll get to all that. We'll get to all that. [00:34:27] Speaker D: The bear comes back twice more. The bear motif comes back like two or three times more. One of them is, is when Christian is in the room with the elder and he's looking at the bear burning painting on the wall and then. Well, we know the next time it comes back. [00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah, Right. Right. [00:34:43] Speaker D: Should we. [00:34:44] Speaker B: I think we kind of want to work up to. So. So we. We sort of know things are weird, right? But that day of Atonement or whatever. [00:34:51] Speaker D: They called it, like, you find the name. [00:34:52] Speaker B: But yeah. [00:34:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Okay, here's a weird thing. When he, When Pele says it, Josh is like, oh, for real. Because he's the guy who actually knows stuff, right? And he's like, oh, for real? And they're like, they're like, dude, what, what is it? And they're like, is it bad? And that just kind of like smiles and he's like, you'll see. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:09] Speaker B: And it's like, bro, like, if you know that's gonna happen, like, you gotta warn people. You know what I mean? [00:35:16] Speaker C: Like, hair, somebody. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a better word. Prepare. Not warn, but prepare them, you know. And so what does happen? It's again, like, I think Stephanie and I kind of had a little bit of a disagreement here, but I think it's just. It's just our understanding of the words because I was. I was saying that the movie is a slow burn movie, which doesn't mean nothing happens. Slow burn. It just means that it takes its time to set things up. That's the way I was kind of putting it. And, you know, all scenes are sort of these long, drawn out, you know, like here, you know, sort of build the dread. And so you kind of go through this long food ceremony and there are these two old. There's an old man, an old woman, and they're being celebrated in a sense. And then it goes on and on and on. They're put on little palantirs and they're. And they're taken up to top of a mountain and. And then they jump off of it. [00:36:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:06] Speaker B: With all their, their friends down, you know, their commune down there, sharing the. [00:36:11] Speaker D: Cheered for the first lady because she actually killed her herself, successfully. [00:36:15] Speaker C: The old man was so bad every time. Like, dude, you don't jump feet first. Everybody knows that. [00:36:22] Speaker D: He did like a pencil dive, like just straight up. [00:36:24] Speaker C: Even if you're like in an elevator, you don't go feet first if it falls. Like, that's rule number one. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:36:32] Speaker C: I just going to break your leg. [00:36:33] Speaker B: I do want to say when the old lady jumped, I mean, she does it so beautifully. Like, the men suck in this movie. I think it's basically what we're saying. She did like the swan dive and, and, and I think one of greatest moments of gore, I think, in, in movie history, I think is when she. So she lands on the rock face first and they cut. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:51] Speaker B: And I was like, ariaster. I was like, bro, you know, I expected more from you. They cut to everybody watching it, like in shock. [00:36:59] Speaker A: And then. [00:36:59] Speaker B: And then. But then they cut back to her head. She bounces. They cut back to the bounce and her head just explodes. Like, well, it's already been exploded. Right? So it's just sort of like the, the rebound and you just sort of see the broken head now in slow motion. I was like, all right, Arias, you're fine. But again, I think what's interesting here, again, you are. We Know what Dani has been through. And so for her to be standing there, for Josh not to have said something when. When her. He knows what has happened to her family. Right. [00:37:29] Speaker D: These people are committing suicide, and it's two older people. [00:37:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:33] Speaker B: And this asshole doesn't tell her. And. And I think what. What really kind of gives power to the scene and. And power to the whole movie is that. Which is kind of what I want to sort of. When I. When I'm saying all the good things about the movie, I really want to focus on this. That all the violence and the scary things and all these things are in service of or connected to a true character moment or like. Like. Like a real emotional core of the character. Right. So. So in a sense that as Danny's watching it, you're hearing her breathing and you know why she's breathing and sort of, like, her terror at, like, you know, having to face this horrible thing that she had just gone through seven months prior, or I forget how, you know, a few months prior. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:23] Speaker B: It kind of grounds it in that real terror, and it kind of puts you into it really into those shoes of, like, when you hear that breathing when you see her going, this isn't. This can't be what we think it is. Right. You know, and then sort of like, when it actually ends up being that thing. I think that's why it's so emotionally draining, you know, like, seeing some gore is like, all right, I can get over it. But I think grounding it within that character's perspective makes it so real and painful, you know? And that's what I think he did really well in the movie. Stephanie is about to explode. I like an old woman bouncing off a rock. [00:38:59] Speaker C: Really cool. That got me. I always thought this movie was really cool because of those same reasons, like, the underlying reasons, and all of this gore and terror, like, psychologically. And when you really think about it, like, all of this time that Dani's going through this trauma, it's all by herself. Because nobody in her life will help her confront the. That's happened to her. Every single person is kind of like. Because even when she cries, she covers her mouth. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Every single time she cries in the bathroom, she hides in the bathroom. She covers her mouth. She, like, internalizes everything. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker C: And, like, when someone even brings up the word family or parents, like, it triggers her so badly. And then all at once, Pele confronts her with everything he. Like, from the moment, like, we see them interact, it's. My parents died too. [00:39:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:39:58] Speaker C: I can relate this to you I have a family. Look at all of this trigger word. Look at all these trigger words that I'm confronting you with. And then to make her confront death head on, visually, in the most gory way possible is genius. [00:40:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:17] Speaker C: I thought it was so cool to show trauma like that. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:40:21] Speaker C: That, like, make a character go from nobody confronting her with anything and forcing her to hide it to then go into confronting it. So, like. [00:40:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:33] Speaker C: Gory. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:34] Speaker C: And I think that's crazy. [00:40:35] Speaker D: I think even at one point. I'm sorry to cut you off if you were gonna. [00:40:38] Speaker C: I was done. [00:40:39] Speaker D: I think even at one point while she's watching, you know, you kind of go from, like, slow motion to real time, like, cutting between the different members of the. Of the group. One of the shots when after they kill the second. [00:40:53] Speaker A: The. [00:40:53] Speaker D: The older man, after they crush his head with the hammer. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Because he didn't die because he jumped feet first. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:58] Speaker B: He didn't commit and didn't commit. [00:40:59] Speaker D: And we see his broken leg. And Simon and Connie. [00:41:01] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:41:04] Speaker D: There it cuts to, like, very rapidly to a shot where her parents are in the places of the. Of the people that died. And they were wearing. Her parents at the beginning of the movie were wearing the same color clothes that the older people that die at the end of the movie are wearing. The blue robes. Just they're. You know, the parents are wearing the Americanized PJ version. People are wearing frocks. And it's like you're saying everything is intentional, and, like, she's alone in all of it. So it's just. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:32] Speaker D: So good. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I mean, it's. It's well done. And. And. And again, like, it's kind of like nothing terribly gory at all has happened up until that point. [00:41:41] Speaker A: No. [00:41:41] Speaker B: You know, I mean, disturbing. Yes, but. But then he just kind of gives it to you all, and, like, you really are in the headspace of those characters at that point. And. But to go back, what you were saying with Pele, how he was telling her, I think the most what really ties it all together was that he was saying that, like. But I wasn't alone. He's like, I lost my family, but I had this family, and they were here to hold me. And he's like, was there anybody there to hold you? [00:42:07] Speaker D: Do you feel held, Danny? [00:42:08] Speaker B: Do you feel held? [00:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:10] Speaker D: Oh, does he make. He says that, and then. No, he. First he says, does he make you feel hell? Talking about Christian. [00:42:16] Speaker B: And do you remember when he's holding her? Yeah, she's freaking out the first time yeah. He is just checked out and not, not checked out because I'm so sad. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Checked out. Like how the do I get out of this? Yeah, it wasn't looking. I saw. At least. [00:42:28] Speaker D: It's like he's holding her, but he's pushing her away at the same time. [00:42:31] Speaker C: Yeah. He's not holding her emotionally. [00:42:33] Speaker A: No. [00:42:34] Speaker C: You know, like, like, you know, like sometimes you'll hug someone. You're just like, like that's how he holds her and talks to her. Because he also talks to her so carefully. [00:42:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:44] Speaker C: Like every time he speaks to her, it's like he's walking on eggshells because he doesn't want to have to deal with it. [00:42:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:51] Speaker C: If she breaks down. [00:42:53] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:42:54] Speaker C: So now like, you see Pella and he's like making her break down. He's like, you need to break down. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:02] Speaker C: So that we can hold you. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, Right, right, exactly. So you can be held properly. [00:43:07] Speaker C: I'm not going to talk about it yet. But you guys know the scene that I'm talking about with the women. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. Yeah. I mean, we, we mentioned it crying together, but yeah. Yeah. So, so from there things start to get. I think it's important to mention. And, and this is. Yeah. Because this will come back later. Simon. [00:43:28] Speaker D: Simon. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Simon. He freaks the out. Yeah. And he's like, what the is this? Like he says like 40, 000 times and he's freaking out and they're trying to calm him down. And, and the old lady, the elder actually says it very like she kind of, she gives him a good talking down. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Right. You know, this is our tradition. This is, this is joyous for them, you know, and, and she even says. [00:43:53] Speaker D: When my time comes, I'll be happy. [00:43:55] Speaker B: I'll do it too. [00:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:56] Speaker C: And she also says you didn't explain this to them beforehand. [00:44:00] Speaker B: Like, okay, yeah. Like, she was also kind of surprised. [00:44:03] Speaker C: That she was like, guys, you, you had to have explained to them that this was going to happen beforehand. Like, she knew that this would make anybody else freak out. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:12] Speaker C: And that they need to have understood what was happening so they don't mess up this joyous occasion for everybody else. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Right. You know, which is, which is why it's the Simon is the only character where I disagree what they did, if that makes sense. You know how you were saying like, you know, like that they brough upon themselves because they came in there and were disrespectful and, and, and the only one that I, I, I feel like that I understand his, his response and I don't think he does. He deserved what he got. Is Simon where. That's the only one where I'm sort of like, you know, like. And even the woman says it like, you know, he wasn't prepared. It was not his fault. It's on Ingmar. Yeah. And. And. And when we find what happened to Simon, I'm sort of like. I'm like, poor Simon. Did Connie. [00:45:02] Speaker D: We. Connie is at the end. She's at the end, remember? No, she shows up at the end. She's one of the. One of the ones in the temple. [00:45:11] Speaker B: I was hoping not. I know Simon was. Don't you remember Flowers? [00:45:14] Speaker D: We heard. We heard her scream after she was taken. We hear her screams and then we don't know what happened, sir. [00:45:20] Speaker B: See? See, that's another one. I was hoping Connie got away because I couldn't. I couldn't make her out in that. In the finale. Yeah. So I was hoping let her go because she didn't have the same reaction as Simon. [00:45:30] Speaker D: Well, she also just wanted out. [00:45:32] Speaker B: But isn't that fair? [00:45:34] Speaker A: Like. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Like, you know, that's. And maybe that's just Arioster sort of complicating it because I think he didn't want to make it a simple, you know, these are bad guys or. Or, you know, these guys are horrible or. Or they're just so wonderful. You know what I mean? Like, I. I think he kind of wanted to complicate it. [00:45:50] Speaker D: But I think, like, to answer the Connie problem, you kind of have to look at it from the perspective of the actual culture. You have these tourists that come in here unprepared for what they're gonna see. Obviously, Ingmar wanted to bring in people and he wanted to be like, bring in sacrifices. So he didn't tell them what the they were gonna get into. He's kind of, you know, swindled them into coming here. But if they do leave after seeing what they saw and they're so visibly and like, emotionally distraught. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Right. [00:46:14] Speaker D: I mean, they're gonna go to the authorities, right? [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I figured that. [00:46:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Like, with Simon, that I was like, Simon would definitely go to the authorities. [00:46:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:21] Speaker B: But. Yeah. And then. Exactly. If Simon disappears, then Connie's gonna go to authorities. [00:46:25] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:25] Speaker D: Because she was already asking questions and they wanted to up. Because they knew if they kept them together, they were gonna, you know. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker B: So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I. I know. I thought about the. The Simon thing yesterday where I was like, this is self preservation for them. [00:46:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:38] Speaker C: And like, what you were saying, you also have to understand like, there are these religious cults that exist that are super dangerous because, like, they genuinely believe that what they're doing is right. And, like, that's how they. They honor people. [00:46:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:54] Speaker C: So they. Regardless. Or not, if these people were, like, rude, which I'm sure they were expecting them to be rude. So it wasn't as, you know, difficult to do it. Like, they needed people. [00:47:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:06] Speaker C: To do this, you know. [00:47:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:09] Speaker C: Thing that they're doing. [00:47:10] Speaker B: That was the thing that I. I kind of was like, well, are they bringing them in sacrifices already bring them in as new blood, or is it just more like they're gonna bring them. [00:47:18] Speaker D: In and then whatever happens, their fate will be decided. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. Because the same could have happened to Danny. [00:47:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Like. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:23] Speaker B: I mean, you know, I mean, obviously Pele liked her, but. But was hoping for her to become what she becomes. But. [00:47:28] Speaker C: But I think they. Okay. I don't want to badmouth my old religion too much. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:34] Speaker C: But there's. When you're there, like, they tell you, like, there are a. There's a specific kind of people that, you know, will join, and there's a specific kind of people that, you know, won't. [00:47:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:48] Speaker C: And it's usually the people that are very emotionally vulnerable. [00:47:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:51] Speaker C: That join. [00:47:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:52] Speaker C: It's messed up. [00:47:53] Speaker B: That's perfect. [00:47:54] Speaker C: It's messed up. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:56] Speaker C: But it's true. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:57] Speaker C: And this is a religion that's pretty common. [00:48:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:00] Speaker C: You know, so I think that's exactly what. [00:48:03] Speaker B: I think maybe that's exactly what Paley is picking up on. [00:48:05] Speaker C: That's exactly what he knew, that Dany was emotionally vulnerable. [00:48:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:09] Speaker C: That she needed people to hold her up. [00:48:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:48:12] Speaker C: And he knew that his community was really good at that. And he also knew that the other people that he was bringing in were rude and crass and were not emotionally vulnerable. [00:48:22] Speaker B: They would be great fodder for the sacrifice. [00:48:24] Speaker C: Great sacrifice. [00:48:25] Speaker B: And Ingmar. I. I think sort of just kind of up, like, Ying just was like, these two are good. I mean, they can be either, but, you know. Yeah. [00:48:32] Speaker D: Yeah. And it's also explained to us by several times. It's kind of alluded to that that Pele has a good intuition for people. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:40] Speaker D: They, like, mentioned it several times. Like, yeah, he knows. Like, he knows people. He's good with people. So, you know that, like, really, his. He. He had her in mind for the May Queen the whole time. I mean. [00:48:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:48:50] Speaker D: You get it from the beginning. And so, you know that he had her, like, specifically in mind. [00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:48:56] Speaker C: Most cults do. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [00:49:00] Speaker D: And where is I gonna. I was gonna say something about. Oh, I got the name of the. Of the sacrifice. It's called. Sorry, is this. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Is this a real thing? [00:49:11] Speaker D: Atistupa. [00:49:12] Speaker B: Okay. Is this just made up for the movie or is it like. [00:49:14] Speaker D: I'm not sure. [00:49:15] Speaker B: It has some feet in some real reality. [00:49:17] Speaker D: I'm not sure. I know a lot of it is not really rooted in reality. From the research that I've done, they do take like some pagan rituals and stuff, like pagan things, but a lot of it is mostly made up. Up and like, taken from his mind. Arya's mind. Yeah. This says Atasupa is a Swedish word literally meaning clan precipice. That refers to a mythical tradition of elderly members, blah, blah. Well, often depicted in midsommar. The concept also has roots in Swedish folklore. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. [00:49:48] Speaker D: Yeah. So where are we now? At the stupa happened. [00:49:51] Speaker B: This is kind of where every. People start disappearing. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:57] Speaker B: So, yeah, because they're doing stupid things, right. I mean, at that point. So the next day again, when they come back after this and they're all just destroyed, traumatized. And Mark, who took a nap, went home, take a nap, is like, I missed it. [00:50:12] Speaker D: He's like, out of all things you could have let me sleep through really this. [00:50:15] Speaker B: And they're like, are you even. They were like, shut the up. And the next day, Mark very innocently, I have to take a piss. [00:50:25] Speaker C: This. [00:50:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:50:26] Speaker B: It goes just like, it's nothing. And then suddenly the guy starts screaming and the stupid idiot is peeing on their ancestral tree. [00:50:32] Speaker D: It is so funny because in the caption it says, like, the guy's yelling. He's like, you're disgusting, American dick. [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, you're disgusting. [00:50:42] Speaker D: It was so funny. [00:50:44] Speaker B: There is a lot of funny stuff in the movie. [00:50:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:50] Speaker D: And it's like, it's funny because. Well, at least for me, it's funny because I've seen the movie twice now, so I'm actually, like, not scared while watching because I kind. What's going to happen? [00:50:57] Speaker B: I would be much calmer now than I know what happens and. And that it's not as bad as I thought it would be. [00:51:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:03] Speaker D: When I first watch. When I first watched it the first time or two, I was like, so scared about what was going to happen that I like, didn't even take a second to take in the. The comedy. But now I just appreciate it so much. [00:51:13] Speaker B: Well, and. And that's. I think exactly that it does work on several different levels. And. And it's because you also. Again, for me, this is actually my first Ari Oster film because I refused to watch his first film. [00:51:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:25] Speaker B: Hereditary. And I haven't seen Beau is Afraid yet. But. So I don't. I. From all the descriptions of how his movie is, I definitely figured it wasn't going to be your traditional gory horror movie. And I think that's where my curiosity came from because a lot of people are like, oh, it's really disgusting. It almost got an NC17. And I was like, he doesn't seem like a very visceral or showing a lot of viscera as it happens that I was like, I wonder how disgusting it can be because, like, how much does he show? What doesn't he show? And, and so it's like there's. There's this sort of like tension for me. Like when he was peeing on a tree and they're going crazy. I'm like, are they going to fucking like take him apart now or is it going to happen later? And. And I was like, it probably wouldn't happen now, but I didn't want to calm down just in case, you know, and be like completely like complacent and then suddenly like something gory would happen. For anybody who's listening hasn't seen it. Most of the gore happens off or most of the violence. The real time violence happens off camera. You tend to mostly just see the after effect. [00:52:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:27] Speaker D: Or like happens in the dark, like. [00:52:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:30] Speaker D: When you don't really see it, like kind of like shrouded. [00:52:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Even that. I, I just don't think there was much like. Like Josh getting his head. [00:52:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:37] Speaker B: You know, getting bashed. Which was very Texas Chainsaw. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:39] Speaker B: You know, sort of. And, and I thought it was going to be more of a payoff to that. And it's fine if there wasn't. [00:52:45] Speaker A: It. [00:52:45] Speaker B: It's. It's fine. I, I really thought it was going to be. Since they don't show you who did it. [00:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:52:50] Speaker B: You know, I, I thought they were going to be like. I mean, I assumed it was the sort of the deformed person that they kind of cut to once in a while. The person who wrote the book that he was taking the pictures of. [00:52:58] Speaker D: Yeah, I believe so it probably was. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Can you tell me then? So, so, okay, so what happens is like at this point. Stupid ass. What's his name? Well, Christian tells. Tells Josh that he's gonna basically do the same. Yeah. His thesis on the same topic as Josh. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:14] Speaker B: That Josh had already basically said for ages he's gonna do. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:17] Speaker B: And. And so there's a lot of back and forth between them, but I think we'll cut ahead to Josh. They're both doing research on. On the commune now. And Josh is talking to one of the elders who's showing them, like, their big religious book. [00:53:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:30] Speaker B: And he explains to them, you know, who wrote it. It turns out it's the. It's the. The deformed, mentally incapacitated person. [00:53:37] Speaker D: And that all their oracles are, like, specifically inbreeded to write the Ruby Rotter. [00:53:41] Speaker B: You know, I thought for a second that. That they were going to make Josh, like, by bashing his head and they were going to make him. [00:53:47] Speaker D: Oh. [00:53:47] Speaker B: And. And that he would be the next person to write the book or something. That's what I was like. I was. And like, that's why I was, I guess, a little disappointed was. It was just not. There's not disappointed, but just surprised there wasn't more with it. [00:53:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:58] Speaker B: But I think the movie has enough on its. On its hands and on its mind that that's fine. [00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:03] Speaker B: And so Josh is like, can I take pictures of the book? And they're like. And the guy just says very clearly, he's like, no, this. This is, you know, this is sacred to us. Do not take pictures of it. And Josh being, you know, a fucking American, and I say this as an American, I know how we can be. That's why I keep saying these things. And I think the movie is saying these things too. At night when. When they have slight twilight darkness. [00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Here he sneaks out and starts taking pictures of the book, and then he. And then somebody shows up. [00:54:34] Speaker A: Yes. [00:54:35] Speaker B: And it's funny that there wasn't too much more explanation as to what happened to him. So, like, seeing it only once and just not being able to quite make out what happened. So it turns out it's Mark. Mark. Mark has been punished. It is Mark, right? It's not Mark. [00:54:50] Speaker A: No. [00:54:51] Speaker D: So. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Oh, wait, wait, hold on. Let me put it together. [00:54:53] Speaker D: You want me to explain it? [00:54:53] Speaker B: Is it Simon with Mark's face? [00:54:55] Speaker D: So basically. Basically, earlier in the movie, when they're sitting around and the children are playing. They're playing a game called Skin the Fool. Okay. In this case, Mark is the fool. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:08] Speaker D: So he was skinned alive and someone wearing his skin is the one that kills them. And later on, when we get to the temple, Mark's corpse is wearing a gesture hat. [00:55:17] Speaker B: And he's stuffed with straw. [00:55:18] Speaker D: And he's stuffed with straw. From the beginning, Mark is the fool. [00:55:22] Speaker B: So, Right. [00:55:23] Speaker D: Just speaks to Pele's selection of people. Because Mark was actually the one that asked the question, what are they playing? And Pele tells him, oh, they're playing Skin the Fool. [00:55:30] Speaker B: I. I do remember them. That. That line. I was like, oh, God. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:34] Speaker B: I was like, I hope I don't have to see this. [00:55:35] Speaker C: I'm gonna take this opportunity. I have to go pee pee. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Okay, excellent. We'll talk about skinning people. [00:55:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:42] Speaker D: So it looked like pretty much it was just somebody wearing marks. [00:55:46] Speaker B: It could have been the. The person who writes the book. [00:55:48] Speaker D: I think so. That was my understanding. Yeah, it was my understanding it was the person writing the book. It's actually not really. [00:55:53] Speaker B: They were groaning and they were sort of. [00:55:55] Speaker D: Yeah. And like, heavy breathing. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:57] Speaker D: Through them. Through the mask of his face. And, like, it just didn't look right. Like, it just. [00:56:01] Speaker B: No, it didn't. And I couldn't even quite tell if it was Mark. I just kind of was like, that's sort of him, or. Yeah. I'm just watching it once. And that's. Again, I thought there would be a bigger explanation of that. [00:56:10] Speaker C: That. [00:56:11] Speaker B: And then when I saw, I. I could tell at the end because again, they put the jester hat on him. Something like. That has to be Mark. [00:56:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:17] Speaker B: And again, also, the straw. He was filled with straw. So I was just like, you know. Oh, yeah. And it's the girl who calls him away from the table. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:25] Speaker D: It was in. And she was the one that calls. [00:56:28] Speaker B: One of the young ones, right? [00:56:29] Speaker D: Yeah, one of the young ones that. From the beginning, he's like, did you guys see that? You saw how she looked at me. It was so funny, too, because when they were sitting at the table, when she gets called away, he's like, right before it happens, you see the guy that. That was mad at him for pissing on the. [00:56:43] Speaker B: On the. He was giving him the stink guy the whole time. [00:56:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:45] Speaker D: And he tells, like. I think it was Josh. He's like, is this guy gonna keep holding a grudge? This whole time he's just pissed at him. And then India comes over and he. And she's like, come, I will show you. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, so we listen. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Oh, he was skinned alive by children. [00:57:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:57:01] Speaker D: And he was like, I'll be back, guys. I think she's gonna show me. Yeah. We kind of just come to the understanding that she probably killed him and then skinned him. [00:57:10] Speaker B: I hope she killed him first and not. You know. But then again, after we find out what happened to Simon. [00:57:14] Speaker D: Simon Yeah. Which we'll get there. I want to wait for Stephanie to be here for that. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:19] Speaker B: So what should we talk about while we wait for. Oh, I. Can. I. I know. I'm gonna take this on a. You walked into my office. It smells really good in here. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:29] Speaker B: You're gonna love this one. This is tmi. [00:57:31] Speaker D: Oh, gosh. [00:57:32] Speaker B: And I was like. Yeah, because that's faithful breeze. It. [00:57:34] Speaker D: Was it because you farted. [00:57:36] Speaker B: But, like, it's the way it happened that was the funniest because I took a nap. It was after lunch. I took a nap, and I was woken up by my own fart. That's a good way to look. [00:57:53] Speaker D: Oh, that's good. That's good. Oh, I'm really glad he's prayed for breeze. I would have walked in there otherwise. It smelled your far. [00:58:01] Speaker B: You see how considered I am? [00:58:02] Speaker D: Good call. At all. It's funny, because Stephanie's never gonna find out about this unless we tell her. But Jessica will hear. [00:58:07] Speaker B: It's gonna hear. [00:58:08] Speaker D: It's a nice tidbit for Jessica. [00:58:10] Speaker B: I mean, she. She heard my. Gross. [00:58:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Sleep story, so. Actually, you're the only one, because, like, I sort of gave it away to Stephanie without telling her. [00:58:19] Speaker D: I just. Tell me. I don't care. [00:58:20] Speaker B: It's not that bad. It's just. It's the way you set it up that. That, you know, I'll tell it. I need to tell in full detail because now. Now it'll just be kind of, like, slight. You'll be just, like, anticlimactic. [00:58:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:28] Speaker D: Oh, Steph's right. [00:58:30] Speaker B: Oh, all right. We weren't talking about you stuff. [00:58:35] Speaker D: Yeah, we weren't. The airplane transition was so good, by the way. This is just a callback to earlier when it goes from her going into the bathroom. Going to the bathroom after talking to Pele and then crying in the bathroom. That was so good. [00:58:46] Speaker B: It's so good because it also kind of. It just tells you with that one cut that, like, everything that's. This has been happening. [00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:52] Speaker B: You know, it's not like, oh, now she's flying this, like. You know what I mean? Like, when you feel like you're in a different. [00:58:56] Speaker D: Different location. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Location. You're on an airplane, you sort of feel like almost like it's vacation. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:03] Speaker B: You'll be. You'll get away from these things. And it just very quickly tells you, no, this is not. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:08] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, this is not gonna leave her just like this. [00:59:10] Speaker D: And it explains the. It also explains if she actually gonna go or not because up until then she was still on the fence. [00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:17] Speaker D: But it pretty much tells us she went. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Good filmmaking. One thing I do want to notice, I, I do want to mention. I don't know if you guys noticed it, like when they were in their apartment in the US they have this hanging lamp overhead. Lamp. And it's kind of looks like it's made of seashells of like shells. [00:59:33] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:33] Speaker B: That's an IKEA lamp. [00:59:35] Speaker D: Is it really? [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:36] Speaker B: IKEA is Swedish. [00:59:41] Speaker D: By the way. The whole thing about the gesture, I don't want to sit here and seem like I came up with that. I took that from the Internet. I didn't realize it for the first time. I watched it and then I went and did my research. [00:59:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:50] Speaker D: My prowess as a, as a analyzer of movies. Movies is not that great. [00:59:57] Speaker B: No, I mean that's exactly. I mean like. And I think we got those visuals and we, we understand on, on a certain level, you know, like, I mean, when, when I saw the, the body at the end and I saw the jester's hat, I was like, that's him. [01:00:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Right. You know, so. Oh my gosh. And I have to watch that scene again and to see be like, that's like Mark's face on somebody else's body. [01:00:16] Speaker D: Which was pre Texas Chainsaw Massacre. [01:00:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:00:19] Speaker D: Straight up Texas Chainsaw. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:21] Speaker D: He also wore his lower body with the penis included. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Was he wearing a lower body though? Oh my God. [01:00:26] Speaker D: Cuz it looked like there was like a cut or like an incision. [01:00:28] Speaker B: Tell that. Okay. Cuz I was like, why was that person naked and just walking around with his head? [01:00:32] Speaker D: Yeah, I paused it just to get a good view. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Okay. Anyway, probably shouldn't have told us that. [01:00:41] Speaker D: I do it for the love of the game, guys. For cinema. For you guys, our listeners. [01:00:49] Speaker B: There's no sound effect I can play that could. [01:00:52] Speaker D: There isn't. [01:00:52] Speaker B: No. So in a way I kind of want to say like, it's sort of like from here on is where it kind of goes crazy, but it doesn't. It stays in that same sort of, you know, dreading long takes. You know, things are just kind of getting weirder and weirder. And that's why it's funny. When you were telling me like how much worse it's gonna get, that I almost was like, geez, is this gonna turn into hostile again? Where we're gonna watch. Watch these people being tortured and so, and it's funny that then. So when I went back and kept watching from that point on on like I'm like, how much time has expired? Because I'm like, still nobody. Nothing gory has really happened, you know? And I'm waiting for gory things. Like, they go back to that after she does, like, the dance, and. And she's the only one who makes it. And so she ends up being the May Queen. You know, you see the table and, like, they're all high again. Right. Because they drink that weird thing. [01:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:41] Speaker B: And, like, you sort of. They do that thing where, like, the. The pig's head is on the table. I mean, you sort of. You know, there's no, like, head on shot of it, but. [01:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:48] Speaker B: So you can sort of tell it's a pig's head and it's kind of moving, and, like, the grass is kind of moving. And I was like, oh, my God, they're gonna be eating Mark. I was waiting for. It's like, I was just kept waiting for the most horrible things to happen. And then that's just to kind of find out, like. And then, like, I was like, I think there's only, like, five minutes left in the movie. And I'm like, And there's still no bear. [01:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:05] Speaker B: I'm like, what are they gonna do with the bear? And then it's like, okay, they already killed the bear. [01:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:08] Speaker B: You know, so again, like, all the. The horror, all the visceral stuff, or viscera is done off camera. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:17] Speaker B: Much to my happiness, because I. I think that's what we were. I say that, like, it's weird. My relationship with gore is weird. Like, if it's unserious. You know what I mean? Like. Like, I love gore. [01:02:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:31] Speaker B: But the moment you start doing it to characters who are three dimensional and, like, who have sort of, like, lived in lives, like what we have here, suddenly they're real. And it puts me into the. Into that situation more, and I. And I really have a hard time with it. I can deal with it, but I would rather not. [01:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:47] Speaker B: So it's just kind of funny. Like, you know, like, I think I put. I put that horror movie, I think, in the bowl. I'm not sure the. What's the name of it? The one where the guy's going, it's from the serial killer's point of view in a violent nature. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. [01:03:03] Speaker B: And. And. And, like, that's supposed to have some real great gore, by the way. I just want to mention I should probably say this off the podcast, because this is a weird diversion, but the guy who wrote and directed Psycho Gore man, he. He does the makeup Effects for In a Violent Nature. And then the guy who directed and wrote In a Violent Nature, he did the makeup effects for Psycho Gore Man. So these guys all kind of work together pretty cool. So if the bowl doesn't give up in a Violent nature today, something's not right. [01:03:32] Speaker C: Well, I did want to say, did you guys notice, like, how incredibly nice to Danny all the people were? [01:03:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Like, especially the women, like, throughout the movie, like, they just get more and more and more nicer. That's what was unnerving for me. I was like, nobody's that nice and happy. [01:03:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:48] Speaker C: But it turned out they just really liked her, basically. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think that's basically it. [01:03:53] Speaker D: She's cool. [01:03:53] Speaker C: Like, there was a scene where they, like. It was literally like a conversation between girls where they were like, oh, my God, you're so pretty. And I was like, she's like, oh, my God, that's so nice. [01:04:01] Speaker B: You're so pretty. [01:04:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I was, like, watching this, and I was like, dang, this is real. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:09] Speaker D: And it was. It was right after she was searching for Connie and, like, freaking out that they call her in, and she's like, oh, you want to join us? [01:04:14] Speaker B: Like, that's why I was thinking, like, that they were. That they were, you know, trying to. I didn't think of it as real at that moment, even though I think now that the movie's done, I think that it was genuine. I thought they were just trying to, like. Like, distract her. [01:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:28] Speaker B: But I. And I think that's the interesting thing is that I think you're absolutely right, that, like, from. By the end of the movie, you're like, no, they were genuine. They liked her. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:35] Speaker B: You know, like, she. She had something about her that. That they liked. And. And I kind of want to. I guess we can jump to that. I think it's okay to jump to this part now. So, you know, after she becomes May Queen, it's so funny how the tables turn, right? Because throughout the movie, it is always she's by herself, and these men are just treating her like shit and ignoring her. And then what happens after that? Christian comes back from seeing the Elder, and they're all basically like, they. He has to find his own seat at the table. You know, they give him some weird concoction to drink, and he doesn't know what's going on. He's getting sicker and sicker. And he asked the old man and. Who just kind of claps at him. [01:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:12] Speaker B: He clapped back and. And sort of like he's now on the outs with this group of people who are only have eyes for her, whereas it was the other way around before. [01:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:23] Speaker B: And I. And I think, again, that's really. And I was hoping this is where the movie would go. And. And. And that's really where I kind of go. Like, why I think the movie is really good is because, again, this whole thing is like, you're not just like, you're. You're making a genre movie, but you are. You know, you're. You're rooting it in something real. You're rooting it in this character. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:45] Speaker B: Who has this beautiful arc that is. That is kind of sick. Right. At the same time, like, it's not like a. Oh, my God, what a happy ending, but at the same time, you're like, she was left with nothing. And then at the end. And I hope I'm not jumping too far, but, you know, it ends with her smile on the face that she's like, she's found her family. [01:06:00] Speaker C: The only time that she genuinely smiles in the entire movie and it's at. [01:06:05] Speaker B: That point is at that point. [01:06:06] Speaker D: And it's so perfect because Florida Lawrence Pugh has, like, this frown that she does in every movie. [01:06:10] Speaker B: That's her mouth, I think. [01:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:11] Speaker D: She just, like, does, like, this little pout frown that just looks, like, so, like, I've never seen anybody make that face before. [01:06:16] Speaker B: I noticed until you guys mentioned it today that I was like, oh, yeah, her mouth is kind of downturned. [01:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:20] Speaker B: Like, is that. Yeah. [01:06:22] Speaker D: And sorry, because you were mentioning that he gets high before the thing that they forgive him, the thing that made no sense. [01:06:30] Speaker B: We got it. [01:06:31] Speaker D: You follow? [01:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:31] Speaker B: You followed my life when it made sense, didn't it? [01:06:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:35] Speaker B: You understood. [01:06:37] Speaker D: When the girl gives. Gives him the drink, she says, oh, this will lower your defenses. It's like water with, like, something with properties that are going to lower your defenses. And he says, oh, no, I don't think I want this. I think I'm going to have a bad trip. And she's like, no, take it. Which is the same that they did Danny at the beginning of the movie. [01:06:53] Speaker C: And it was also cool that, like, you were saying, like, the tables turned. His friends just wanted him to, like, have sex with her. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:01] Speaker C: And just, like, leave and, like, leave her. [01:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:04] Speaker C: And that's what they did to him. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Right. [01:07:06] Speaker C: They used him for sex. And the second that it was over. Over. They quite literally kicked him out of the room and told him to leave. [01:07:13] Speaker B: Which, again, is a pretty funny scene when he's walking around buck ass naked. Just sort of like embarrassed. Like, I don't know, like the whole thing was just funny to me how he was just like, we're like, finally, you man. Oh, double ums. And then of course after he's. He's kicked out, he's running out naked and it's funny. [01:07:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:34] Speaker B: He ends up hiding in this one building and then he finds. Find Simon who is. And this was some, this was some saw kind of, you know, he has been blood eagled. Is that what a blood eagle is? It's okay. I'll tell you a little. [01:07:48] Speaker C: There's a name for that. [01:07:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. No, I, I can I just tell you like a quick story. Like my brother was watching a show called Vikings. It was. I think it was about Vikings. [01:07:57] Speaker C: Yep, I think I've seen that. [01:07:59] Speaker D: I've seen Vikings. Vikings. Valhalla. There's two of. There's two. [01:08:02] Speaker B: They did like a spin off show. It was pretty, it was pretty popular. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:05] Speaker B: And Norman doesn't really like violence too much. And so he was like, he said, oh my gosh. They're talking about doing something called a bloody eagle. And they were saying it's going to happen in the next episode. And then so like he looks it up and he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah. He's like, I know what a bloody eagle is now. And he's like, it's fucking disgusting. And I was like, don't tell me. And I'm shopping at the grocery store and he was watching it at home and he sends me a picture of like Sylvester the cat, you know, like, like, like shaking it all white and he's like, yup, they did the blood eagle. [01:08:33] Speaker A: Yep. [01:08:34] Speaker B: And I never found out what it was. So like this is the bl. Eagle. [01:08:36] Speaker D: There's a blood eagle. So it's, it was like a Viking, like, like pagan like torture method. After doing some research, I found out that it's actually impossible to do it to somebody and keep them alive. I figured because as soon as you make especially the Vikings that they didn't have like, you know, actual, you know, surgical. Surgical tools. I think the way they excuse it in the movies. We've already seen how good their sedative, like use of sedatives and drugs are. They probably use that to keep him alive. But yeah, he got blood eagle. So it's basically. Basically you cut down the back, open up the rib cage and then pull the lungs out to make like wings. [01:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And. [01:09:09] Speaker D: And then like leave them stretched out and alive with their lungs outside of their body. So he got blood eagled. There was a. There was like a son of a famous Viking that it happened to. [01:09:19] Speaker B: I think that was. That's what was in the show. [01:09:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:22] Speaker C: Oh yeah. Well that's a new fact that I know now. [01:09:26] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [01:09:26] Speaker B: I mean you saw it in the movie and he was breathing still. I don't know why. [01:09:29] Speaker D: I knew what a blood eagle was before I saw the movie. And then when I saw it was like blood eagle. I was like Leonardo DiCaprio once upon a time. [01:09:39] Speaker B: We're like. We're learning a lot about Alex today. I've seen the movie. [01:09:43] Speaker D: I like Viking. [01:09:44] Speaker C: I've seen the movie a couple times. But I never noticed that the lungs were like actually moving until this time that I saw it and that they were like. [01:09:53] Speaker B: It's funny cuz you hear it also like you hear it before you see them. [01:09:56] Speaker C: I think when I, when I was watching before, I was just so like shocked like looking everywhere that it like slow down enough to be like this man is breathing. [01:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:05] Speaker A: I. [01:10:06] Speaker B: When he goes face to face with him. I was waiting for him to start screaming. [01:10:09] Speaker D: I would have loved that. [01:10:10] Speaker C: Waiting for him to like say something. Oh my God. [01:10:13] Speaker D: It would have been so good if like as soon as he got in his face he was like. Like Psycho gourmet. [01:10:21] Speaker A: Yeah, but. [01:10:22] Speaker B: But that would have been cheap, right? I mean that's exactly what he's not doing with this movie. Like there. I don't think there are any cheap scares in this movie. I don't, I don't think. [01:10:29] Speaker D: No, there's. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think that's his way. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:32] Speaker D: Also we just completely skipped over the fact that he has sex with the girl while these old ladies are. Are. Are chanting along. [01:10:38] Speaker B: I. I mean I think we alluded to it and we said about the old lady pushing his butt and. And my God, that I think was the most disturbing thing I saw in the movie. [01:10:46] Speaker D: That's what I was telling you to get ready for. Cuz I just thought you were going to be disturbed by that. And like it's just. [01:10:51] Speaker B: It's also funny, you know, like with. [01:10:52] Speaker C: It was messed up cuz I was watching with German. And as we're watching that scene, I just go, Paul's gonna hate this. And Karen's like, he hasn't seen it yet. And I was like, no, I was like, I think he's seen it, but I'm sure he didn't like this. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Well, thank you. I took it as A compliment, but I'm not. No. And it was funny because when he first goes into the room and he takes off his clothes and then they cut and I was like, thank goodness. [01:11:19] Speaker A: No. [01:11:19] Speaker B: And right as I finished saying goodness, they cut back. [01:11:22] Speaker D: And I was like, yeah, Arya's not going to do that. No, he's going to show you them. [01:11:27] Speaker B: Having sex for, like, I don't know how long. [01:11:29] Speaker D: Dude, it. Too long. Also. [01:11:33] Speaker B: Wasn'T she supposed to be 14? Didn't they say she was young? [01:11:36] Speaker D: They don't really say their age. I think she was 18. Because I think at 18 they say he's like the age you're able to have to, like, have kids. [01:11:42] Speaker B: I thought there was some talk of a 14 year old. [01:11:44] Speaker D: They just said, basically allude to the fact that she's been approved to, like, to have to. To make mate. But we don't know what that is. Is that when she hits puberty, she gets, you know, her period for the first time. We don't know. [01:11:55] Speaker B: We don't know how to do it. [01:11:56] Speaker D: She just looks young. It's just up. [01:11:58] Speaker B: But just again, like, exactly as you said. How. How Christian just. Just goes along with things. Like he just. They. They put the flower path and he just. I know he's high, but come on, you know, like, he walks in, it's just like, okay, yeah, I can, I can, I can. I don't know. I just. Having a row of naked, naked women of all ages. Yeah, all ages, singing and chanting and. And moaning with him. [01:12:23] Speaker D: That was the most up part. That's when I really started, like, okay, this is weird. [01:12:27] Speaker B: Like cheerleaders, like, push it in, push it in. [01:12:31] Speaker C: Go, go. [01:12:32] Speaker D: They started chanting in unison with her. And then the one lady was singing. I was like, what the are you doing? [01:12:37] Speaker B: And she, like, started hugging her. [01:12:38] Speaker D: Like, I know where your head's going. [01:12:40] Speaker C: It was so. It was like so weird that they were almost. Almost like they didn't care about him at all. They were there, like, to support the girl. [01:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:48] Speaker C: As if this was like a traumatic event. That they were just like holding her hands and they were like, you could do this. Yeah, this is your job. And, like, just like looking straight into her eyes. And the girl, like, wasn't concerned about him at all. She was just kind of like looking at the woman. She's like, am I doing it? Is this how you do it? Right? And I was just there. I was like, this is weird. So, like, this is awkward. [01:13:11] Speaker B: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:13:13] Speaker D: And then their culture. [01:13:16] Speaker B: Oh, God. Did you just say What? I think you said what? Okay. [01:13:19] Speaker D: She said, that's their culture. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Oh, my. [01:13:22] Speaker A: Okay. [01:13:22] Speaker B: I'm not going to. Okay. [01:13:24] Speaker D: Anyway. [01:13:25] Speaker C: Okay. [01:13:26] Speaker B: I heard something else, and I was like, what the. Okay, we're. We're good. I will not say. [01:13:30] Speaker D: Okay, cool. And then later on, we have women chanting in unison with Danny when she's crying. [01:13:36] Speaker B: And I was going to write it down as a note, like, oh, it's very much like, what's happening there? But then they cut between and they make the connection clear. I was like, okay, I'm not. Not clever for. You know, like, the movie's showing you. Yeah, yeah. And that again. Is there someone to hold you when. Because, like. Because again, so the audience knows. So Danny looks through the keyhole. I love that. That it has, like, a perfect keyhole. [01:13:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:56] Speaker B: For her to look through. [01:13:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:57] Speaker B: And. But there's no shot, I think. Thank God. [01:13:59] Speaker D: No. [01:14:00] Speaker B: What she sees. [01:14:00] Speaker D: I didn't want to see his ass. [01:14:01] Speaker B: I didn't see it anymore. What I was gonna say was. Was like, after he's done, and they kind of push him away, and she pulls her knees up to her chest, and she's like, I can feel the baby. So gross. [01:14:15] Speaker D: Oracle, the deformed kid is laying in the bed watching. [01:14:19] Speaker B: Well, at that point. Who the. [01:14:20] Speaker D: Yeah, at that point, it was. [01:14:21] Speaker B: They're all there standing there naked. [01:14:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, they have the cheerleaders there who are cheap. Oh, my God. [01:14:27] Speaker D: But I did notice a continuity error because when he first walks in, the bed is empty. And then at some point, maybe she came in later. [01:14:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:34] Speaker B: She was drawing. [01:14:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:36] Speaker D: Did she or he. [01:14:37] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why I wasn't. I thought it was a she. And that's why when you said that the skin pants are the. That that was wearing. Because there was pee. [01:14:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:43] Speaker B: He was staying there. So I kind of thought, like, okay, that. Then that would make sense if she's a she. And he was wearing. She was wearing his. Okay, that's fine. This movie's disturbing, so. Yeah. So. So Danny's held. She. She gets the support she needs. [01:14:57] Speaker D: Guys, if I ever start crying at work, I want you to cry with me in unison. [01:15:01] Speaker B: Like, please. Okay, well, we'll get everybody from the department, and we will. [01:15:04] Speaker C: Which weirdly calmed her down. [01:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:06] Speaker C: Like, the only time that she actually, like, doesn't get a panic attack. [01:15:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Because they're. They're there for her. They're holding her. [01:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:12] Speaker C: I feel. Make me have a panic attack worse if a bunch of people are just like, mocking me crying. [01:15:18] Speaker B: But they weren't mocking. Like, they were, they were, it was genuine. They were feeling her sorrow. [01:15:23] Speaker A: Right. [01:15:23] Speaker C: It did remind me of that thing that people do to babies now, where if a baby starts crying, if you cry at the baby, the baby stops crying and just kind of looks at you, like, in surprise. Like, that's kind of exactly what they did. [01:15:37] Speaker D: Also shout out Florence Pugh. I love Florence Pugh, but amen. She cries so annoying. I think it was exaggerated for the movie. Movie for the role. But she has one of, in this movie, she has one of the worst cries ever when she's crying. At the beginning, I had to lower my TV volume to like 2 because it's so, like, screeching in my ears. Like, oh, it just made me uneasy. [01:15:59] Speaker B: But again, I feel like I, I, I think we agree here that I think it's on purpose. [01:16:04] Speaker D: Oh, it's definitely on purpose. [01:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:16:05] Speaker D: I don't think Florence Pugh actually cries like that in real. I mean, I hope not. [01:16:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:16:09] Speaker C: Let's just say character in this show was so annoying. [01:16:14] Speaker D: Movie, show. [01:16:15] Speaker C: I'm sorry, you only think she was annoying. I, I felt bad for her, but there were times where I was just like, I was just like, can you just not do that? Can you just not cry like that? Like, I understand you're in pain, but, like, she, she always just had like this pouty lip that I was just like, I was just like, you're just, just make a normal face for one second. Just a normal face. [01:16:35] Speaker B: I know what I, I, I know what you're saying, but I, I just, every time I was like, but, dude, dude, you know what I mean? [01:16:41] Speaker C: Like, all my empathy to you, but, like, if I knew you in person, like, I would have to take a break. Like, I'd have to take a 15 minute break and be like, and again, I can't look at you making that pouty lip anymore. [01:16:52] Speaker B: No. And I do think Arioster is doing that somewhat. [01:16:54] Speaker D: Oh, yes. [01:16:55] Speaker B: Because he is trying again not to kind of give us that out of just like, oh, Christian's just a bad dude. Because even as much as we hate him and he does kind of, he does suck. Yeah, I kind of do. Like, I, I can't imagine I would be that, that different in that situation. And I, I hate that about myself. I hate having to confront that. [01:17:13] Speaker C: Like, we're not therapists. Like, she needed to have called her therapist. Like, I'm sorry, Mark was right there a little bit where he was just like, why Is she calling you when she's having like, an actual, like, mental health emergency instead of her therapist? [01:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:17:28] Speaker B: But. And that's what I like about the movie is that. Is that there is truth to kind of both sides of it. Right. Like, I mean, still enough. It's still tilted enough that we can. That it's like, no, this is bad. This guy sucks. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:40] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [01:17:40] Speaker D: There's no good guys or bad guys. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Right. [01:17:42] Speaker A: But. [01:17:42] Speaker B: But there's. But there's just. You know, again, there's just. It just feels real. [01:17:46] Speaker D: Yeah. And depending on who you are as a person, you'll side more with said person. Like, I. I know a guy that watched the movie, and he says that. That as. Even though he's, like, a bad boyfriend, he. He was not in the wrong at all throughout the movie, the Christian. Because he was like, oh, when the whole thing happened with. Where he had sex with him, they gave him a thing where his defense lower. It was like a trance that he was in. [01:18:07] Speaker C: Oh, that was definitely rape. [01:18:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:18:12] Speaker B: But again, it ties into, as you were saying, how he just kind of goes along with things. You know, it's like. Yeah, he was drugged for sure, but he's just like, okay. [01:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:19] Speaker B: I mean, I. I don't. I don't. I don't think he's a bad person for what happened there. [01:18:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:24] Speaker C: You know, I think it's bad person for dragging someone along and how he. [01:18:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:28] Speaker C: Everybody in this movie had something bad about them. [01:18:30] Speaker B: Sure. [01:18:31] Speaker C: I just love how. Except for Pell. Pele, I love actually. [01:18:35] Speaker D: Well, no, I mean, a piece of. [01:18:38] Speaker B: Of course he is. That was a joke. Of course. [01:18:40] Speaker C: Look, I'm kind of sad that he died, though, because imagine if him and Danny got to stay together, and then she got everything that she wanted, but, you know. [01:18:49] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, sorry. Did I not catch this? Because I couldn't tell who was who when they brought him into the temple and they set him on fire. Pele was one of them. [01:18:56] Speaker D: No, Pele was alive. [01:18:57] Speaker C: What? [01:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:58] Speaker D: Pele didn't die. He was honored. He was one of the ones that was cheering at the end. He had the. The grass crown on. It was Ingmar that went in the. In. [01:19:04] Speaker B: Oh, it was Ingmar. [01:19:05] Speaker D: It was Ingma Mar. And another guy. [01:19:07] Speaker B: That was the one who was watching the guy when he actually caught fire. [01:19:11] Speaker D: The guy that was. That was selected when he caught fire was the. The one whose name rolled out of the little lottery ball. [01:19:17] Speaker C: Oh, that makes me feel better. I thought that was something where it was like, it was like, oh, we're going to go together, brother. And then I was just like, yeah. [01:19:26] Speaker D: But they all call each other sisters and brothers throughout the movie. Cuz remember at the beginning he went. When he says, oh, my God, Maya, which is the girl that Christian has sex with, that he says it's his sister, but they're not. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but they're not actually. [01:19:36] Speaker D: Yeah, they're not actually siblings, but. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Okay, the guy who's the. The rune came up. But didn't she have to choose between that guy and Christian? And I thought she chose Christian. No, friends. [01:19:46] Speaker D: The rune was between Christian and. Okay, wait, hold up. [01:19:55] Speaker C: Yeah, see, the ending got a little confused. [01:19:57] Speaker D: No, no, wait, hold up. [01:19:57] Speaker A: Let me. Okay. [01:19:59] Speaker B: And I've only seen it once now, so I don't. Because like the. I can't remember now when the rune was. Did they call somebody else up? Okay. [01:20:05] Speaker D: Yes. [01:20:06] Speaker B: Can we at least confirm that? That when she chose Christian, she chose Christian? [01:20:10] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:10] Speaker D: Yes. But. Okay, it was Pele. It was not Pele. Pele was safe. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:14] Speaker D: Ingmar and. And another guy were called up, and then they selected another guy. [01:20:21] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:20:23] Speaker D: That's what it was. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Different. Different things. Okay. [01:20:25] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [01:20:26] Speaker B: Because there were a lot of like, we have two that were already taken care of, but then we have two from here, and we have four from here. And I was like, what is going on? So. So. And I was just like, the important thing to me was she has to make the choice between Christian and the other guy. And apparently she chose Christian. Again, she was high also. And after everything that happened, I think. [01:20:43] Speaker C: She just watched him cheat on her. [01:20:45] Speaker B: Right. And. Yeah. And after everything that we've talked about. [01:20:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:48] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, I. It's kind of like, of course she would. Shoes go be burned. Al. Sorry. Stuffed into a bear carcass and burned alive. [01:20:58] Speaker C: Made eye contact. [01:20:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, yeah. [01:21:01] Speaker D: It's just so funny when the dad is giving the kids a DIY of how to skin the bear. [01:21:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:06] Speaker D: They just stuff him inside of it. [01:21:08] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [01:21:09] Speaker C: Yeah, it's so weird. Like, they mixed like this gore with like, wholesome, where it's like. Yeah. We're doing this thing where we're stuffing kind of bear, but like. Like scouts, how do you skin a bear? We learned this last. [01:21:23] Speaker B: Cut out the organs so you don't puncture them. [01:21:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:26] Speaker C: Timmy, what do you do here when you're gutting a bear? [01:21:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:31] Speaker B: So that was Ingmar in the temple. [01:21:32] Speaker D: That was Ingmar. [01:21:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:33] Speaker D: Ingmar gave himself up to the Temple. And then the other guy, whose name I forget was the one that caught on fire after they gave them like the U wood. [01:21:40] Speaker B: I was going to say like again, I, I think that sort of leads to, to how full of they are also. You know, cuz he's like, we're going to give you this thing that you won't feel pain. The guy's clearly feeling pain when he. Yeah, poor guy. [01:21:52] Speaker D: Oh, and then they all start crying along with him when he starts screaming yes. [01:21:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they're holding him even while he's on fire. So I don't know, should we explain that to the audience? So like, I mean they put all these people into the. [01:22:02] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:03] Speaker B: Into the temple, into a temple that they've been showing throughout the movie. And they say don't go in there and you start to recognize, you know, the, the bodies that they're bringing in there. So as we said, Mark shows up with the jester hat and Simon and Connor. [01:22:16] Speaker A: Connie. [01:22:17] Speaker B: And yeah, I was looking for Connie. I couldn't quite make her out, but. [01:22:20] Speaker D: Yeah, she, she had like, her hair was like all like raggedy and stuff. [01:22:24] Speaker B: Okay. [01:22:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:25] Speaker B: And then they set the place on fire and. And again like in a unexpected twist. I mean the soundtrack's beautiful. Yeah, it's this like pastoral like symphony and, and it kind of, you're kind of like getting swept up in it. And then for like in the middle when I think when he starts screaming it gets a little bit weird. Like it gets a little uncomfortable and they start screaming with him and then it goes. Goes back to this. It's this really kind of beautiful image of like watching the fire. I don't know, like I kind of felt invigorated after seeing that. Like I was just like, wow, that really, that, that hit me in the feels. And, and it's like you're watching people even burn alive. [01:22:56] Speaker C: That's how they felt. That's why they do it. [01:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's why they do it. [01:23:00] Speaker D: And it's funny too because at first, like when they cut to, to Danny, like running in the, in the flower. [01:23:06] Speaker B: Like, which is hilarious looking. She looks like Jabba Hut, this giant flower. [01:23:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:11] Speaker B: I don't know. Mass of. I don't know what. And, and it's funny, it's ludicrous. [01:23:15] Speaker D: And like at first to me it looked like she was struggling, but then like she kind of embraces it. [01:23:20] Speaker B: Yeah, she was struggling. [01:23:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:23:21] Speaker D: And then she like starts, starts sort of like dancing and then we get the famous, you know, the smile. [01:23:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:28] Speaker B: Our Danny, Daniela was saying that she knows the final shot of the movie. And I was like. I was like, oh, I think I do too. But I didn't want. I didn't want to keep talking about it because I didn't want it to be confirmed or did not denied. I thought I was happy to be wrong. I thought I was close. I thought it was the poster where she's crying. [01:23:43] Speaker D: Oh, okay. [01:23:44] Speaker B: I thought that was gonna be the final shot. And I was like, I hope it's not. I hope it's her smiling. And then when she smiled, I was like, okay, that means I got what the movie was trying to do. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:51] Speaker D: It sort of become like a mythical thing. Like, everybody knows the final shot, Somar. And that's kind of like the. The shot that, like, made Florence Pew famous. Not famous, but like one of the shots that took her off. And there's been several movies that have recreated that shot with her in it. So there's like a couple of Florence Pew movies where they recreate a Florence Pew smile shot. Not like the final shot, but they kind of owed to it. Like. Yeah, do like an homage. I don't know the movies off the top of my head. I'd be lying if I told you I did, but I've seen things about it. [01:24:18] Speaker B: I'm sure it was not black. [01:24:19] Speaker D: W def. [01:24:22] Speaker C: Yeah. I was gonna say when I saw it kind of reminded me of Pearl. [01:24:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:26] Speaker C: Like the last scene of Pearl where she's doing that, like, really creepy, ominous smile. [01:24:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:32] Speaker D: You're not missing much. [01:24:33] Speaker C: What? [01:24:34] Speaker B: I kind of. I hope Stephanie puts it in the bowl because I. I've been. I've been wanting to watch him, but, like, mid summer, like, I'm never in the mood to watch it by myself. Or not by myself, but like on. By my own guidance. And so. So it would be a good excuse to. To watch it. [01:24:49] Speaker C: The thing with Pearl is, like, you don't have to watch the trilogy to watch Pearl. [01:24:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:53] Speaker C: But I would like you to. [01:24:54] Speaker B: I. I would. I mean, I want to see the last one because it's set in the 80s and I kind of have. [01:24:58] Speaker D: That sucks. No, I, like, that's the worst one. Pearl is the best. X is all right. And the. The last one is horrible. I'm sorry. [01:25:06] Speaker B: I'm sorry. [01:25:07] Speaker C: I'm so offended. [01:25:08] Speaker D: Yeah, it's fine. [01:25:09] Speaker B: You know what? Put the trilogy in there. [01:25:11] Speaker C: I'm going to put the whole trilogy. [01:25:12] Speaker B: We got to discuss it. [01:25:13] Speaker D: By the way, I wanted to just say this real quick. I have been hunting ever since I saw this movie. A24 came out with a incense burner that is a ceramic, the. You know, the type of temple in yellow made of yellow ceramic. And it comes with these little, like triangular. You know, like the little ball incense. You put it inside and you light it. And this incense smoke just swirls out of the top. [01:25:36] Speaker B: Out of that circle. [01:25:38] Speaker D: Yeah, the little. The little. Not the windows closed off. They inserted a hole at the top. [01:25:42] Speaker B: Okay. [01:25:43] Speaker D: And it just swirls out like perfectly. And I have been hunting this since I saw this movie. And it is always sold out. And last Christmas, my sister was hunting it too, for me to gift it to me for Christmas. And it was sold out again. [01:25:55] Speaker A: Again. [01:25:55] Speaker D: And I just can't get my hands on it. And I've been wanting it so bad because it's just so cool. And even though there's people burning in it, I want that temple in my room. [01:26:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:04] Speaker C: That's amazing. [01:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:06] Speaker B: Learning all these things. We always make these jokes that like whenever. Something gothic and creepy and we were like, that's so Stephanie. But now we're finding out. [01:26:14] Speaker D: It's just so pretty looking. [01:26:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:16] Speaker B: You're not alone. Also, you should have a flower on your. [01:26:19] Speaker D: I should. [01:26:19] Speaker A: I didn't. [01:26:20] Speaker D: I left my. My bear costume at home. [01:26:24] Speaker B: No, this is my. This is my Swedish accent. [01:26:28] Speaker D: I stopped staring at. [01:26:29] Speaker B: I cannot stop looking at you, Alex. [01:26:31] Speaker D: Okay. [01:26:32] Speaker B: I want to burn you in a T. You know what? [01:26:34] Speaker C: That's a Halloween costume, right? [01:26:37] Speaker D: Honestly, the. Oh, my God, the bear suit. Honestly, I feel like the. Danny, like, what? Not when she's wearing the full flower thing, but like the flower crown with the white dress and the flower, like, things on her shoulders would be such a good Halloween costume. [01:26:51] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that's a couple costume. Danny and then the bears. [01:26:55] Speaker D: That'd be great. [01:26:56] Speaker B: You in German. [01:26:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:57] Speaker D: You guys have to do it. [01:26:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we're gonna. We're gonna be the Hitman. Black gloves and gray. [01:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:03] Speaker D: Black girls and Gregory. [01:27:04] Speaker B: So you're gonna be a baron and. Well, you're gonna be Danny and yeah, you'll be the bear. [01:27:10] Speaker D: I have to also say there's a fucking three and a half hour director's cut of this. [01:27:14] Speaker B: Right? I. I read it in the trivia. They were saying that. That. Well, they said a half an hour was cut out to stop it from being an NC17. [01:27:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:23] Speaker B: And I was like, wait, what. What version did we watch? So there is a three hour. [01:27:26] Speaker D: We watched the theatrical cut. There's like a three and something hour cut. But that cut is only Available if you buy it from a24's website. So a24 sells like, it's like a. Like a book looking thing with it with it inside and like comes with like special edition. And there's like almost an hour of deleted footage. I talked to a friend of mine that like watched a movie and he has like every A24 collectible you can imagine. And he was like, it's not necessary to. To watch it. Like, he's like, they took out most of it's like conversation, like dialogue. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Okay. [01:28:00] Speaker D: And he's like, there's a reason why the theatrical cut is the theatrical because it is the better cut. And he's like, I don't say that about. About a lot of things, but theatrical cut is okay. [01:28:07] Speaker B: I was wondering about that because like the whole. When they were saying it was an NC17 cut and I was just like, what? Like, I was like, please. You know, like. So then I was afraid that like all the. How I was saying, like, I'm like, I think it's cool that he doesn't show the violence. I was like, wait, did he just cut it out for the theatrical not get an NC17? So it sounds like that's not the case. [01:28:23] Speaker D: No, no, no. I think like one of the things was just like an argument between Danny and Christian when he gets her birthday. [01:28:29] Speaker B: And yeah, we had enough of that. [01:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:33] Speaker C: But yeah, man, Pell remembered her birthday. [01:28:37] Speaker D: Pella did remember her bir. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Cuz she's the May Queen. [01:28:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:28:43] Speaker D: You're going to be at a cola. [01:28:45] Speaker B: I was an A. Yeah. [01:28:49] Speaker C: I'm gonna join another one. Round two, guys. [01:28:52] Speaker B: Jacket is suspiciously white, so. [01:28:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:28:56] Speaker C: You can't escape the frog mentality. [01:28:58] Speaker B: The frog. [01:28:59] Speaker D: And also Josh's leg sticking out of the garden was so funny to me. [01:29:03] Speaker B: Oh my. [01:29:04] Speaker D: Just taking out of the garden. [01:29:06] Speaker B: It was like a cartoon. [01:29:08] Speaker D: Yeah, it was like so looney tunes. [01:29:11] Speaker B: I think that's why I was laughing because he's walking around naked and he just sees the leg. Right. Is that what it. [01:29:16] Speaker D: And I'm like, did nobody see this leg this whole time? [01:29:19] Speaker B: So they were all high. So true. All right, do we have anything else we want to say about n. I'm done. I think we're good, right? I think we covered it pretty nicely. I'm proud of ourselves. [01:29:32] Speaker C: Don't join colts. [01:29:33] Speaker D: Or do. It's up to you. [01:29:35] Speaker C: Or do. [01:29:36] Speaker B: You're right. I mean, the movie's kind of making. I mean, again, Danny ends up in a better place. [01:29:43] Speaker D: From our understanding, Danny probably lives out the rest of her days with the. [01:29:45] Speaker B: Cult until she's 72 and has to jump off a mountain. [01:29:48] Speaker A: There you go. [01:29:48] Speaker C: But like, who wants to be older than 72? [01:29:51] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, I think I'll be. I think I'll be fine as long as I'm like a fit 70 plus year old. I've met some. [01:29:57] Speaker B: Considering that you're eating well and drinking well and. And I'm eating Dr. Pepper cotton candy and drinking monster drinks and fo. Yeah, yeah, we'll just leave that there and there. I have to start changing my life choices. [01:30:10] Speaker D: Otherwise you got to jump off the mountain anyway. [01:30:16] Speaker B: Okay, let's do the. Let's go around the table and give how many Pauls? We're giving it out of four. [01:30:21] Speaker D: Yes, yes, yes. [01:30:22] Speaker B: Alex. [01:30:23] Speaker D: Oh, I give it four out of four Pauls. [01:30:25] Speaker B: Stephanie. [01:30:26] Speaker C: I give it four out of four Paula. This is one of my top movies. [01:30:29] Speaker B: Excellent. [01:30:33] Speaker D: Let me see. [01:30:34] Speaker B: One and a half Pauls. [01:30:36] Speaker A: Yeah, Come on. [01:30:39] Speaker B: Three and a half after it was done for, after talking about it. [01:30:43] Speaker C: Cool. [01:30:43] Speaker D: I can live with that. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, it's a good rating. [01:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it's not. It's. You know, there's a difference between me liking something and something being good are two different things. Right. And I think that goes for all of us. Like, it's not something that I would really enjoyed watching. It's not something I would really want to watch again. Even though now I. Now I know I could. [01:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:03] Speaker B: Actually kind of would watch it again. But it's not like on the top of the things that I would want to rewatch again. But, like, I think there's no denying that it's mass. You know, it is really well done. Yeah, it is really well done. There is. And there is actual thought behind it. It's not just, you know, a simple horror movie. And. Yeah, I mean, you know, as much as I was saying when I had to go back to finish it, I was just like you, Stephanie. Now I get to get to say thank you, Stephanie. [01:31:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:32] Speaker B: Forced me to watch it, which I wanted to. And. Oh, I never told a story. When I went to the square screening. [01:31:38] Speaker D: You went to the Midsommar screening? [01:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:40] Speaker D: Was that the one where, like, you couldn't watch it and then. [01:31:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:31:42] Speaker B: It was like. It was like. I think it even, like it was 8 o'. Clock. It was supposed to start at 8 o', clock, which we were already like, why are you starting at eight if it's two and a half hours long and. And we're sitting in the theater. And then nothing's happening. Nothing's. I'm like the truncated story. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. At like 8:30 they. They come in the. And they say, we can't. Like, we're having trouble downloading this. The. The movie movie. And. And we're still downloading it. And then he downloaded. And then he says at 9 o' clock he comes back. Hold on, my voice is going weird. At 9 o' clock he comes back and he says, oh, so the movie's downloaded, but we don't have access to. To the, the computer because the manager is not here and we don't have the password. So they were like, you know, if you guys. It's going to be another half hour. If you guys want to get like, we're. You can. You can have concessions on. On us. And at this point, I think it was already like 9. It was 9:15 or something around there. And like my, My editor and I just kind of looked at each other and we're like, we can't. Like, I'm not going to start. I'm not going to start Midsummer after a day of work and starting the movie at 9:30. Yeah, two and a half hours long, slow burn, you know, upsetting movie. And my other friend stayed and he told me afterwards, he was like, he was like, no, it's great. But he's like, we walked out of that theater at 11 o' clock and we were. We were exhausted. Like, he's like, nobody was talking, just kind of filed out and we're just like, whoa. So, yeah, so I kind of was always like, yeah, I mean, I tried. I tried to see it, but it didn't happen. So now, now I saw it. So that's excellent. I'm glad we all thoroughly enjoyed it. [01:33:18] Speaker A: And. [01:33:21] Speaker B: You know, after the game is before the game. So we've just finished one movie. Now it's time to pick. [01:33:26] Speaker D: Oh, the next movie. [01:33:29] Speaker B: Well, yes, you can pick, but we have to first. Oh yeah, we first have to. Oh, mighty ball, show us what movie we will be watching next. Hold on. [01:33:44] Speaker D: Waking up the bull. [01:33:45] Speaker A: Okay, all right. [01:33:46] Speaker D: Bull, Bull. I'm gonna reach inside of you now to pick a movie. [01:33:53] Speaker A: Dinner fast. Yes. [01:34:00] Speaker B: Sorry. Drum roll. [01:34:04] Speaker A: What movie have I picked? [01:34:10] Speaker D: The Ugly Stepsister. Do we want to veto this or. [01:34:16] Speaker A: Why not Paul's movie? [01:34:21] Speaker D: This was your suggestion, to be fair. [01:34:23] Speaker A: It was. [01:34:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:25] Speaker B: We will watch it. [01:34:26] Speaker A: The ball has spoken. [01:34:29] Speaker B: It is the Ugly Stepsister. [01:34:31] Speaker D: Okay. [01:34:35] Speaker B: A. [01:34:35] Speaker D: Are your movie still even in there? [01:34:37] Speaker B: I don't know. I think someone's with me here. [01:34:39] Speaker D: You got to rip it. [01:34:40] Speaker C: Oh, somebody just went in and ripped up all pa's movies. [01:34:45] Speaker B: I'm going to double check because this is upset. Setting me now. [01:34:47] Speaker D: All right, well, it's been another episode. [01:34:49] Speaker B: Yep. Let's go back to Summertime, which I still think is the perfect pick for the song for Midsummer. [01:34:53] Speaker D: And we'll say watch this as we leave. [01:34:55] Speaker B: Oh, we. We keep forgetting. I wonder if this is the thing. No, we got to keep doing it. I like it. As. As always. Again, we have our own rituals in this podcast. [01:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:06] Speaker B: Doesn't involve skinning people alive. Darn tragic. Tragic. We will now, even though we already gave it the the Pauls, we want to make sure you understand how we feel about these movies. So as the namesake of this podcast, which is Watch this. We are going to say, in a positive way, watch this. Or a negative way. What, like, watch this? [01:35:26] Speaker D: Yes. [01:35:27] Speaker B: To let you know how we feel about the movie and what we think you should do if you come across it. So on three. One, two, three. Watch this. Watch this. Wait, that's Italian. That doesn't. Okay, that was supposed to be Scandinavian. [01:35:42] Speaker C: It's racist. [01:35:43] Speaker B: That was really bad. That was really bad. And on that note. Goodbye, everybody. Say goodbye, everybody. Stephanie. Goodbye. Okay, there we go. Bye.